Talk:Redskin/GA1

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Reviewer: Shushugah (talk · contribs) 18:24, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Strong potential, several major issues

Good Article review progress box WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

While reviewing the article, I saw several instances where the sources did not match the claims made inside the Wiki text. I boldly removed one case, where the N word was purportedly referenced in the Merriam Webster dictionary in comparing redskin. It wasn't, so I removed it entirely in this edit, but there are other cases I found, where there's a misunderstanding of the sourced text, and missing contextualization. In

• • While I have added ~50% of the text, I do not remember adding the N-word comparison being attributed to the OED. However, the confusion regrading Goddard's WaPo interview comment (Gugliotta) is not as stated above. Rather than referring to the 1699 letter from the previous section, Goddard is casting doubt on the French translations he relied upon in his own paper, contradicting himself. I have attempted to make this clarification.--WriterArtistDC (talk) 23:24, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• In some cases, a subject expert's blog/oped can be used like with Gyasi Ross, but it's unclear why this Medium article was used, or who the author is.^[1]
  • The content regarding Oklahoma has three elements, the popular "humma means red so Oklahoma means red people"; the Choctaw dictionary entry that provide an alternative meaning for humma, and the Medium post tying the two together, without which there would be two definitions with an implied synthesis that one is wrong. Instead, it seemed better to have a citation for the synthesis.--WriterArtistDC (talk) 23:24, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Great care is needed to also not treat all indigenous people as a monolith as evident with terms like "native language" when the example used was
  Meskwaki language
  (an example of one of many Indigenous or Native American languages). Similarly, it should be explicitly clear that "si quelques peaux Rouges" was an alleged French transliteration (or as Goddard claims, a total fabrication). Because, it's only later in the bottom of the section that its tangentially noted by Historian Darren Reid of Coventry University states it is difficult for historians to document anything with certainty since Native Americans, as a non-literate society, did not produce the written sources upon which historians rely.
  • Again the above seems to be based upon confusion regrading the 1699 letter debunked by Goddard and his reliance on the letters in French purported to be translation from the Miami-Illinois language.
  • The names of indigenous peoples and languages have been used whenever they have been cited in sources. There is only one use of "native language" in the current text, and that seems unavoidable since it refers to the entire southeastern US.--WriterArtistDC (talk) 20:32, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I know that was a long review, but with proper verification/removal of low quality sourcing, this article has potential to reach GA status. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 18:24, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• • I appreciate the effort, although I proposed this review three months ago, and no longer have the same degree of interest.--WriterArtistDC (talk) 23:29, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • I have addressed the issues stated above as best I can, and am awaiting further review.--WriterArtistDC (talk) 20:58, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • I have re-written the origin in English section, with clearer attribution to Ive Goddard, and removed superfluous subsection heading.--WriterArtistDC (talk) 16:44, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WriterArtistDC I’m really loving the progress and updates! I had stressful week so didn’t get a proper chance to re-review, but I hope to do that by this weekend and happy to continue working with you to the finish line. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 17:52, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks Shushugah, I must have stopped watching this article while I moved on to other topics, so some errors crept in. I should have given it a more careful read before making the nomination.--WriterArtistDC (talk) 18:44, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WriterArtistDC I've carefully re-read it and confirmed this is now a Good Article! Thank you for diligently sticking to improving it! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 19:19, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]