Talk:St Ceinwen's Church, Cerrigceinwen/GA1

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (

   lists

   ):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to

   reliable sources): c (OR

   ):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the
   neutral point of view
   policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have

   suitable captions

   ):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Two small comments before I pass the article:

1. In the lead, first paragraph, "The church grounds contain a well, once thought to have healing properties, and named after
   St Ceinwen
   , the patron saint of the church." Aside from the fact that there's obviously a word missing here, this sentence makes it sound like the well was named after the Saint.
2. Under the second paragraph of "Assessment", "Writing in 1846, after some rebuilding, Longueville Jones said..." Who is Longueville Jones and why I should care about his opinion? You qualify Angharad Llwyd as an "antiquarian", but give no mention of Jones' profession/significance.

I also performed a few (arguably subjective) edits for flow. Although the following issues are not part of the GA criteria, since you asked for extra commentary on the last one, here are some extra things to consider. One thing I would point out is that the article is inconsistent with its use of spaces following the period, vacillating between using one or two. Either style is acceptable, but it should be consistent throughout. I also tend to find one-to-two sentence paragraphs to be choppy and distracting to the flow, so if those could be expanded or combined, it might help the readability of the article. Finally, I want to know more about the church (what notable events occurred there, what levels of service/attendance there were, maybe even little details like what is the bell made out of etc.), but obviously I can't ask you to provide material that isn't available.

So I'm going to go ahead and place the article on hold for a period of up to seven days so that these concerns can be addressed. I'm always open to discussion so if you think I'm wrong on something leave your thoughts here and we'll discuss. I'll be checking this page at least daily, unless something comes up, so you can be sure I'll notice any comments left here. Canadian Paul 15:51, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review and the edits. The well is named after the saint - St Ceinwen's Well (I've added a 2009 source to confirm this), and reworded the sentence generally anyway. Longueville Jones was mentioned earlier: "according to the 19th-century clergyman and antiquarian

Bencherlite^Talk

Yeah, I was pretty tired when I read this one the first time, I can't believe I missed that I was mistaken on both counts, sorry. I'm taking a day or two off GA reviewing, hopefully that will help, haha. Anyways, I do think that the lead reads a little better now and I believe that this article meets the Good Article criteria and will be passing it as such. Congratulations and thank you for all your hard work! Canadian Paul 14:08, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]