Talk:Vito Trause/GA1

Article (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · Watch

Reviewer: Djmaschek (talk · contribs) 22:32, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Initial GA review

@

Hi! To clarify, my rationale for the notability the person's page is

talk) 23:03, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply

]

I changed the status to "2ndopinion". I have asked a question at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history/Coordinators, but so far there is no response from a WPMILHIST coordinator. Djmaschek (talk) 20:13, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Seeing as this has already been kept at AfD, and the GA criteria don’t actually include a check on

talk) 02:18, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply

]

My opinion is that you should complete the review. Desertarun (talk) 09:25, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reasons for reviewer withdrawing

I've looked carefully at the criteria for a GA article and this article meets all the technical requirements. The author has made the corrections suggested by a peer review. Therefore, I cannot simply fail this article. However, I am withdrawing as reviewer for this article for the reasons listed below, which may or may not be valid under the Wikipedia rules. I'm going to follow the directions for withdrawing so that another reviewer can look at it. Djmaschek (talk) 02:27, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• I'm not going to discuss notability in general. But I don't believe this individual has done anything notable enough to be included under WP Military History. (Perhaps under Culture or Politics.)
• His entire war record is narrated as follows. "As a private first-class,[8][9] Trause fought in the Italian Campaign, where he served as a scout in the 168th Regiment of the 34th Infantry Division.[18][19] He was captured by the SS outside of Florence on September 24, 1944[20] and subsequently transported by boxcar[18] to Stalag VII-A, a camp for prisoners of war run by Nazi Germany, where he was held for much of the duration of the war.[7][11]" The rest of the WW2 narrative is about his POW experience. Even including his list of Service awards, there is not a lot of information for a GA class WP Military History article.
• On what date did he arrive in the Italian Theater? For what actions were his 3 Bronze Stars awarded? What battles or operations did he fight in before being captured? What are the duties of a scout? Since he got a Purple Heart, how and when was he wounded? I understand that the answers to these questions may not be in the sources but they are what a reader of military history might reasonably expect in a GA class article.
• A relative won the Distinguished Flying Cross (United States), but I would not dream of writing an article about him. I believe my relative's actions were heroic, but compared to an encyclopedic list of WW2 personalities, his contribution was not notable.
• I believe that lower-ranking personnel sometimes deserve to be recognized. However, their contributions should be notable (as in remarkable). Examples might be Medal of Honor winners, aviators who shot down 5 or more enemy planes, or a soldier whose actions affected the course of an important battle.
• A soldier who had an undistinguished military career might go on to do something remarkable in civilian life. The list of East Rutherford High School Notable alumni is a good example, except (in my opinion) for Vito Trause. The current introduction has this to say about his post-war career. "After the second world war, Trause returned to the United States, living in his hometown of Carlsdadt, New Jersey.[7][13] After moving to Clifton, New Jersey with his wife in 1952, he moved to Washington Township, Bergen County, New Jersey in 1967, where he lived the remainder of his life.[2][7]" There is nothing remarkable listed there.
• I tried to get another WPMILHIST reviewer to comment and Peacemaker67 believed the article was not notable and should have been deleted. See discussion: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators#Notability Question
• My feeling is that, if the subject of this article is deemed appropriate for a WP Military History article, then just about anyone's dad, uncle, grandfather, or neighbor deserves his own Wikipedia article.

  @

  talk) 21:10, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply

  ]

@

talk) 21:10, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply

]

Comment. Some notes for the GAN (which i'm not doing). Desertarun (talk) 08:11, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• You should relist the article into the culture section of GAN - not warfare. He's notable because of his American cultural role not his American military role. If you don't do this you are likely to have another reviewer questioning the notability of the subject.
• It will fail on MOS Lead, you should remove paragraph 3 of the lead and replace it with content from the article - semi-pro athlete and local war hero should be the focus of that paragraph.
• Adjust the first paragraph to incorporate local war hero and semi-pro athlete, remove "well known" person.
• Remove the picture of his wife, she is not notable.

@

talk) 19:13, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply

]

I have concerns about the rights info for the two photos of Trause. The first photo is listed as coming from the Township of Washington page, which offers no information on the origin of said. The licensing offered is for photos in the public domain because they were published before 1927. Considering that Trause is a full adult in the photo and was born in 1925, this claim is biologically impossible. The second photo of Trause with the other soldier first claims that it was taken in 1945 when the NYPOST makes no such claim, and secondly, it uses the licensing reserved for works taken by fedgov employees (including the military) when prepared as part of that person’s official duties. NYPOST makes no such claim that it is an "official" photo, and by the looks of it it might very well be one privately taken, even if during service in the army. -Indy beetle (talk) 23:33, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

With due respect to the first photo, the web link is to a page that contains the file. The photograph was clearly taken and published during the war, which would require both a printed copyright notice and subsequent renewal for the image to be copyrighted today. Neither of these occurred. The second photo is labeled Vito Trause at 20 years old. A

talk) 04:08, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply

]