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Since when is this country in Europe??? 89.137.36.86 18:03, 3 December 2006 (UTC) (ES Vic)

It has a small amount of territory in Europe. See the archives of template talk:Europe. Warofdreams talk 20:43, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

it has some patches of steppe west of the Ural river. This can be discussed on

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10:25, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

If part of it is in Europe, it should be listed here, with an apropriate disclaimer. Just because it doesn't fit with one's subjective map of the world isn't a reason to exclude it from an objective list. --ScottMainwaring 16:35, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I think Kazakhstan is always grouped with other European countries in sports, as is Israel which isn't listed here. Wikipeditor 01:32, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Since the same time as Turkey is. This template basically tries to shove as many countries as possible into Europe, because it is considered prestigious. You see, being in close vicinity of the European continent and not being included into it is synonymous with being accused of barbarism. I'd say the only two countries with a number next to it in this list would be Russia and Cyprus, i.e. nations that expanded from Europe into Asia (Cyprus being a Greek colony). --Humanophage (talk) 05:40, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Last time I checked, it was in the Mediterranean. EamonnPKeane 22:49, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Could we provide a switch so the supranational entity the european union can be switched off? I can envision and article about the

This doesn't seem to fit with the idea of the template at all, so I've removed it. Warofdreams talk 18:01, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

There are quite a few EU articles on this topics now, I'd suggest including it either in the lower part of the text or in the title "etc of Europe (EU)". It doesn't have articles on some yes, but so do a lot of the articles there and its not always a duplication, there are important differences between the two. -JLogan 20:53, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I think that these templates should stick to nations. There are plenty of international unions, and there might be case for creating a template for them, but there seems little to be gained by adding the EU, EFTA, etc to make this template larger and less focussed. Warofdreams talk 23:51, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

The EU is slightly different from EFTA or any other organisation. I suggest the EU for that reason. For example EFTA or the AU do not have a directly elected democratic parliament making the majority of the laws of it's members (80% for Germany) with common foreign polices, supranational powers and laws and so on - all of which I wont repeat again here. The EU can easily be distinguished as separate from other IOs and can easily be argued to have powers akin to a state, if not one. There are plenty of EU pages on these areas, different from just Europe, and should be linked to through this. -JLogan 08:01, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

A couple of people have been removing "the" from links. Please don't do this, as it breaks most of them. While you may be looking at a specific use of this template where it is not needed, in most cases it is. Warofdreams talk 17:16, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Currently useless for navigation except for {{Europe topic|Administrative divisions of}} and {{Europe topic|List of settlements in}}, as we only have

I wonder who had the idea to have Greece as part of Asia? I took the initiative to remove the relative indication? As for why i refer you to the history of the name of Europe Ipodamos

It is, in fact, not such a bad idea. Such a minor portion of territory is insignificant for Greece, but would increase the perception of Turkey as an Asian country (that it is), showing that everything to the East of Greece is Asian. --Humanophage (talk) 05:43, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Both the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland directed to .....Ireland - I've kept the republic as just Ireland and fixed the link to Northern ireland. [1] --Joopercoopers 17:55, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't Greenland be listed here as well? It may not be a part of Europe geographically (and maybe culturally), but since it's a Danish province, I think it should be included as well. -- Schneelocke 14:57, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I think it should with a new note of (5) for countries geographically in North America but are culturally part of Europe. --Kimon^talk 15:26, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

It and similar territories are described here as "Outlying territories". Regards, David Kernow (talk) 16:22, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

No need for the RS (Republika Srpska) since it is neither autonomous nor a dependency. Vseferović 16:21, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Why bring politics here? Template just for navigation.--Methodius 22:08, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Like I comented: Kosovo is there, you obviously did not saw it, RS is "other territory" if not "autonomy" (parliament, president, police etcetc!). Add Vojvodina, why not? Vojvodina is autonomous province you know. I add it myself in fact, it's good idea, better navigation. Why did no-one think of it before? So what is your point now?--Methodius 22:25, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

It's obvious Vseferović doesn't like Republika Srpska.

Should South Ossetia also be added to this template as there are already other unrecognized states in here? Jhattara 07:00, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

How can I view the source for the template Tourism in Europe. Everytime I click edit it goes to another European template. All I need to do is copy and past the contents into the

I don't believe that you will be able to view the "source" of a specific usage of this template (unless you mean the HTML, for which there should be an option in the menu of your browser). {{Tourism}} looks rather large; I'm doubtful that it would be wise to include links to articles on tourism in every nation of the world. It would probably be better to exclude the national links and instead include both the shorter Tourism template, and the appropriate continental topic template. Warofdreams talk 23:48, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. I actually typed the entire contents for tourism in Europe manually and then added the to contents template Tourism. If I do continue to add more to it then I would probably look at ruducing some of the other sections or remove them completely to make way for other regions. I was actually planning on making this template the one stop tourism template but without the redlinks that the other templates have. I would probably add two to three more sections for other regions, possiby Asia and the Middle East. Also have a look at this template, its quite large Template:Pakistan topics.

Thanks

I have just discovered the Fauna version of this template and put it in Fauna of Scotland. Sadly, Scotland does not show up, although there is provision for this in the template. Could someone knowledgeable switch it on? Thanks. Ben MacDui (Talk) 19:06, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Scotland is not a UN state.--Indexxs 19:29, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, I know that. However, here is the relevant code:

{nowrap|[[{{{1|}}} the United Kingdom|United Kingdom]]}}{{#if:{{{show UK countries|}}} |<!--then:--> <small>([[{{{1|}}} England|England]]{{·}} [[{{{1|}}} Scotland|Scotland]]{{·}} [[{{{1|}}} Northern Ireland|Northern Ireland]]{{·}} [[{{{1|}}} Wales|Wales]])</small>}}<!--Vatican City made optional for sake of topics such as "Islam in", "Buddhism in", etc:-->{{#ifexist:{{{1|}}} the Vatican City |<!--then:-->{{·}} {{nowrap|[[{{{1|}}} the Vatican City|Vatican City]]}} |<!--else:--><!--(omit Vatican City)-->}

I do not know exactly what it means, but it suggests to me that somehow the template can be used for the constituent countries of the UK. The question is - if so, how? (And if not, why?) I didn't want to go messing about trying to find out for myself by trial and error. Ben MacDui (Talk) 20:25, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Now apparently fixed - thanks to Jhattara. Ben MacDui (Talk) 20:34, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

It's not a state, but it's clearly a territory. I've added Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland; many of those are showing up as blue links and are helpful for navigation. The Evil Spartan 00:36, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

You can make England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland visible in this template by adding |show UK countries=true into the template code on the page you are editing. --Jhattara ^{(Talk · Contrib)} 07:05, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi, not very familiar with editing on wikipedia, so hopefully someone will make the necessary changes. Why is there a 3 next to Russia (meaning its part of the African tectonic plate)? I would've put a 2 there (meaning its half in asia, half in europe). However, when I tried editing, I could not see the three, but only a dot (I could see "1"'s in other locations fine, but could not see the 3 in question. Can someone make these changes?

• The font is small and you're misreading it (either that, or someone was screwing around and it's since been fixed). Next to Russia is a 2, meaning it's partially in Asia. The 3 is next to Madeira. DS 14:41, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Transnistria is a breakaway region of Moldova. It should be deleted from this list.--201.225.40.228 05:43, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Transnistria might be a breakaway and an integral part of Moldova, but it is

Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. Jhattara

11:05, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree. According to the NPOV rule, it is not up to us here in wikipedia to decide the normative status of Transnistria. Here we can not chose sides. The Ogre 11:29, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Surely the problem is that the template can't avoid choosing sides? It's either 'de facto', or 'de jure' and either way someone is going to be unhappy. I am broadly in favour of keeping Transnistria but I regard this is a subjective judgement based on its relative size and relative autonomy. For similar reasons I would oppose adding Rockall to it. Ben MacDui (Talk) 08:20, 23 August 2007 (UTC)