User:Shell Kinney/EEreportsreview
This is my in-depth look at the contributions of editors involved in the reports at
Interaction by all parties on reported articles
Following is a review of articles that were reported to AE as being a spot where edit warring by one or more of the reported parties occurred. I've collapsed the section as it was becoming prohibitively large. In summary, many participants have edit warred across various articles in the topic area. There is very little attempt to discuss the issues or resolve disputes; reverting seems to be the preferred method of interaction.
Individual review by article
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Dates | Actions |
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January 16 - 20 | Offliner and Biophys edit war which results in move protection |
March 25 | Offliner and Biophys reverting each other |
March 28 - March 29 | Biophys and Russavia revert each other |
April 21 - May 6 | Offliner and Biophys repeatedly revert each other |
May 10 | Edit warring by Digwuren, Offliner, Biophys |
During each of the incidents, reverts happened while the editors argued on the talk page. There does not appear to have been a consensus on any of the issues that caused the edit wars as all the usual parties showed up to take their side when consensus was polled. Another editor not named in the reports, User:ellol, was disruptive on more than one occasion by reverting and attacking other editors on the talk page.
Russian influence operations in Estonia
Dates | Actions |
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April 17 | Offliner reverted by Digwuren |
May 3 - May 10 | Russavia edit wars with Digwuren and Biophys |
May 5 - June 18 | Offliner reverted multiple times by Digwuren |
There is a chilling lack of discussion on the talk page despite multiple edit wars. Russavia repeatedly disrupted the article by removing the sources and see also section while only discussing their changes in the edit summary. Offliner has repeatedly requested sources for the first two sentences which are missing an inline citation. Digwuren reverted this request each time and initially called it disruption. Neither has discussed the issue or used any form of dispute resolution.
Evidence of FSB involvement in the Russian apartment bombings
Dates | Actions |
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April 17 | Offliner redirects and is reverted by Biophys |
April 19 - April 23 | Russavia and Biophys edit war |
The incident on April 17th seems to be an application of
List of people allegedly involved in Russian apartment bombings
Dates | Actions |
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April 5 | Offliner and Russavia redirect and are reverted by Biophys |
This is one of several sub-articles of
Federal Security Service (Russia)
Dates | Actions |
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April 17 - April 25 | Offliner and Biophys repeatedly revert each other |
No discussion of the edit warring until April 21. Reverting continued during discussion until an apparent consensus was reached, if only by a lack of further action.
Russian apartment bombings
Dates | Actions |
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February 10 - April 14 | Offliner and Biophys edit and improve the article (along with others) |
April 15 | Offliner and Biophys revert each other a bit |
April 18 | Offliner and Biophys edit war |
April 19 | Russavia and Biophys edit war |
April 22 - 24 | Offliner and Biophys edit war, Beatle Fab Four and Colchicum also involved |
May 16 | Offliner and Biophys continue edit war |
Things started out well at this article. Edit wars were minor until just before April 24 when the article was full protected. There was very little discussion after the protection with the usual editors taking their sides.
Larisa Arap
Dates | Actions |
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April 20 - April 20 | Offliner and Biophys edit war |
May 16 | Domitori reverts Offliner |
May 28 | Offliner reverts Digwuren |
The majority of the edit warring on this article was over Offliner's removal of all external links; this same action has been the cause of edit wars on several articles. In some cases this removal of links appears to be due to the fact that they are duplicates of inline sources. In this case Domitori's edit restored the links. Again, reverting between Offliner and Biophys continued despite what little discussion happened on the talk page.
David Satter
Dates | Actions |
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April 28 - April 30 | Offliner and Biophys edit war |
As with other articles, reverting went on despite the little discussion on the talk page. Offliner appears to have made an unsourced claim that this BLP was a conspiracy theorist.
Achemez Gochiyayev
Dates | Actions |
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April 21 | Offliner is reverted by Biophys |
Another case in which Offliner removed a number of links. In this case the links were listed under a heading of "Sources" and it is unclear whether these are sources used in addition to the inline references or external links. No discussion on talk.
Yakov Krotov
Dates | Actions |
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April 12 | Russavia is reverted by Biophys |
May 10 | Edit war between Russavia, Biophys and Offliner(single revert) |
Again about links, this time Russavia initiated the removal and Biophys reverted both he and Offliner. Biophys requested discussion on the talk page; there were no other comments.
Alexander Litvinenko
Dates | Actions |
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January 31 - February 4 | Editing by Russavia, Biophys, Offliner, Grey Fox-9589 and Martintg including several reverts which resulted in protection |
February 11 - March 30 | Protection expires. Russavia, Biophys, Offliner, Martintg, Colichicum and Vlad fedorov involved with some reverting. |
April 29 | Revert war with Biophys, Russavia, Martintg and Offliner involved |
June 8 | Biophys reverts to older version and is reverted by Offliner |
The major participants in the edit wars were Russavia, Biophys and Offliner. During the disputes there was discussion on the talk page. Russavia in particular suggested several compromises for the lead paragraph an additional compromise was contributed by Gray Fox-9589. There is considerably more discussion on this article than seen in any other example. Even though the edit warring here was not appropriate there was sincere effort by Biophys, Russavia, Offliner and Grey Fox-9589 to resolve the issue. Martintg and Colichucum were involved to a lesser extent and both contributed to the discussion.
Russian diaspora
Dates | Actions |
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June 3 - June 16 | Complex edit war involving PasswordUsername, Digwuren, Radeksz, Martintg, Offliner and Beatle Fab Four |
June 16 | Biophys attempts a compromise version |
There isn't a single word of discussion on talk about the ongoing edit war. These seem to be the majority players in articles that degenerate into edit warring. Beatle Fab Four is already under a six month topic ban.
Web brigades
Dates | Actions |
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January 11 - January 13 | Complex edit war involving Biophys, Russavia, Martintg, Mukadderat, and Digwuren results in protection |
March 28 | Russavia and Martintg edit war |
The first edit war involved a question of whether it was appropriate to add a section to the article discussing the results of a particular ArbCom case. During this discussion, Russavia's comments were frequently incivil and even personal attacks. Two merge discussions from January were eventually closed as no consensus and both had very little input. Despite having been involved in at least one of those discussions, Russavia redirected the page on March 28 which was reverted by Martintg who correctly pointed out a lack of consensus for such a move.
Aleksandr Kolchak
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May 12 - May 13 | Biophys and PasswordUsername revert each other |
PasswordUsername inappropriately labels these edits as vandalism. There is talk page discussion which eventually resolves the issues.
Soviet War Memorial (Treptower Park)
Dates | Actions |
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March 21 - April 3 | Edit war between Russabia, Biophys, Beatle Fab Four, Colchicum, Vecrumba, Martintg, Offliner and Digwuren |
June 16 | Biophys and Digwuren edit war with Beatle Fab Four and PasswordUsername |
Edit warring began over a particular section of text and we again see the entire group get involved. Russavia contended that the source did not properly verify the information; it later turned out that Martintg had not actually read the sources he used to write the section and the sources did not support the text. It is clear that many of the editors involved blindly reverted without contributing to or even looking at the discussion on talk and supported claims without first making their own verification.
Timeline of antisemitism
Dates | Actions |
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June 3 - June 9 | Edit war between PasswordUsername, Digwuren, Martintg, Offliner, Biophys |
Discussion of the dispute didn't start on the talk page until June 4th. Despite a healthy discussion (mostly by PasswordUsername and Martintg), edit warring continued. Offliner, Biophys and Digwuren also made comments in the discussion. The discussion ended in a poll of consensus in which the only outside editor to comment felt the text should be removed. During the discussion many accusations of POV pushing and bias were thrown around, principally by Martintg and PasswordUsername.
International recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia
Dates | Actions |
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March 18 | Russavia reverts Offliner, Biophys and Martintg |
March 20 | Russavia reverts Vecrumba and Martintg and labels them "estonian pov warriors" |
March 21 | Offliner reverts Vecrumba |
March 23 | Edit war between Martintg, Offliner, Russavia, and Digwuren |
Unlike many other disputes, there was an attempt to work out issues on talk, unfortunately this doesn't seem to stop participants from edit warring.
Kaitsepolitsei
Dates | Actions |
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April 2 - April 15 | Edit war between Offliner, Digwuren, Russavia, Colchicum and Martintg |
June 6 | Edit war between Offliner, Radeksz, Sander Säde, PasswordUsername, Russavia |
Reverting continued despite discussion on talk. Digwuren and Russavia were incivil to each other during the discussion.
Individual editor's contribs
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Offliner regularly edit wars when involved with certain editors. When he doesn't encounter these editors, he appears to contribute productively. Recently Offliner has made a point of engaging more in discussion and resolving disputes productively [1], [2] again, especially in cases where these other editors weren't involved. In the project space, Offliner spends most of his time on
Biophys (talk · contribs)
Biophys regularly edit wars when involved with certain editors. He has contributed many new articles; outside of the Russian/Estonia topic area, they don't seem to be prone to problems. In the project space, Biophys spends most of his time on
Digwuren (talk · contribs)
Digwuren edit wars. Despite the case warning against accusations of nazism, Digwuren has accused other editors of being neo-Nazis[8], [9]. Digwuren has also made inappropriate comments on article talk pages [10].
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PasswordUsername edit wars.
talk · contribs)
Russavia regularly edit wars when involved with certain editors. They also have difficulty remaining civil when interacting with those same editors.
talk · contribs)
Martintg edit wars. He occasionally lets his POV get the best of him.[11], [12]
Ellol (talk · contribs)
Ellol edit wars and regularly (60-80%) marks his reverts and other changes as minor during edit wars.
Summary
There is no doubt that the AE reports were not optimal; many claims were overblown and many of the diffs given weren't good examples. However, after reviewing recent contribs of the participants there does appear to be a need for intervention. Its clear that the involved parties bring out the worst in each other. It is also clear that there are sides and from time to time, editors blindly support those on their "side". Its also apparent that a number of the involved editors have difficulty keeping their POV in check when writing and sometimes even in discussions with other editors.