User talk:Amaury/2017/March
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I agree with your revert here [1], and for the record, the source about it being available on-demand on March 10 is in the first one cited to back the official air date on Disney Channel, set for April 7 (from Entertainment Tonight). Still, it is the IP's responsibility to do that, plus they inserted the text in front of other citations which did not support the on-demand date, but supported the sentence before that. My other issue was I wasn't sure that info belonged in the lead; doesn't it belong in the production section? MPFitz1968 (talk) 16:38, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- @MPFitz1968: Yeah, it kind of falls under the same category as season renewal announcements, so it also belongs in the Production section. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:43, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- Just to piggyback on another Andi Mack-related discussion, why is it not OK to have the director and writer information for the pilot?, considering that the first 2 episodes of the series have been released early. And by the way, since I made that edit I have watched the second episode with Paul Hoen and Terri Minsky also credited director and writer for that episode as well, respectively. QuasyBoy (talk) 18:48, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
- @QuasyBoy: It's to do with the fact that it's hard to verify what's been added—and I'm not trying to imply that you or anyone else are adding incorrect information, but it's just hard to verify with online releases—so it's always best to wait until a series' actual network premiere on cable and satellite as that is the date we use for any series' premiere date, anyway, and the same goes for general episode premieres and season or series finale premieres. I'll invite the rest of my group to this discussion and they can provide further feedback if they have any: Geraldo Perez, IJBall, Nyuszika7H, MPFitz1968. Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:40, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
- Yeah, it's probably better that those be sourced to something (sometimes The Futon Critic will have that info...) until it actually airs "on TV". But if it's already released online, keeping this kind of info in or out becomes a more borderline question IMO. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:44, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
- Usually, I wait until Disney Channel airs an episode to disclose the credits in Wikipedia per WP:CRYSTAL, even though I see it on Watch Disney a number of hours earlier and jot down the credits then. Did the same with the Andi Mack episodes, despite needing to wait four weeks for it to finally air on Disney Channel, probably even longer for the second episode. The difference here is that the first episode is not only available on Watch Disney, or the Disney app ... even Disney Channel's YouTube channel has it, which was planned, and is pretty much accessible to anyone to watch. So not sure I see a problem disclosing the credits for that one, as long as it's sourced back to that. As for the other episode, I'd still wait, as only Disney Channel subscribers (thru their satellite/cable/IPTV provider) can see it. MPFitz1968 (talk) 19:57, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
- Usually, I wait until Disney Channel airs an episode to disclose the credits in Wikipedia per
- Yeah, it's probably better that those be sourced to something (sometimes The Futon Critic will have that info...) until it actually airs "on TV". But if it's already released online, keeping this kind of info in or out becomes a more borderline question IMO. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:44, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
- @QuasyBoy: It's to do with the fact that it's hard to verify what's been added—and I'm not trying to imply that you or anyone else are adding incorrect information, but it's just hard to verify with online releases—so it's always best to wait until a series' actual network premiere on cable and satellite as that is the date we use for any series' premiere date, anyway, and the same goes for general episode premieres and season or series finale premieres. I'll invite the rest of my group to this discussion and they can provide further feedback if they have any: Geraldo Perez, IJBall, Nyuszika7H, MPFitz1968. Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:40, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
Are you seriously removing a section from another editors talkpage without letting them see it based on an essay? AusLondonder (talk) 19:03, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
- Can I re-add it and cite User:DESiegel/Template the regulars? AusLondonder (talk) 19:05, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
User DJV11181988
When you reverted their edits regarding Best Friends Whenever [2][3][4] and their continuing to mark it cancelled even without our having any reliable source to that effect, I had thoughts you were going to report them at
User Mosharof.sherpur
Regarding your report at Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism. Doesn't necessarily look like vandalism to me, if you look at his further edits. May be a complete new editor, who doesn't know what they are doing. I don't know how to contest at AIV, so I thought I'd drop you a note, as I'm heading to bed. Nfitz (talk) 08:12, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
- Oh, and now I'm up to see that User:Materialscientist has blocked indefinitely. Is that a bit harsh for what may have been honest mistakes which may have later been rectified? With no warning? (GiantSnowman's warning on their talk page was for the following edit). Nfitz (talk) 12:11, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
Hey, do you think you're going to get to switching the episodes table at Legendary Dudas to the second format like here? I still think it would be a good idea to switch the tables to the second version in your sandbox. Just sayin'... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:20, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
- @IJBall: Like I was just saying with you about changing from "Episode list" to "Episodes"? . I can do it today sometime. I'm sorry for the wait. PS: I was referring to Paradise Run on your talk page. Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:58, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
It looks like this one could use some trimming – e.g. Tank and Lexi appeared in no more than 2 episodes, and thus don't qualify as "recurring". This is another one of those cases like List of Girl Meets World characters, where characters like this could be mentioned in prose-form in something like a 'Other villains' section or something... (And, as with List of Girl Meets World characters, this is one of those tasks on my informal mental "To Do" list that I may never end up getting to!...) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:04, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
- @IJBall: Agreed. Tidying up that page is something I need to get around to, anyway, so I'll take a look at it then. On the subject of trimming, I also feel like the leads for both Liv and Maddie and Girl Meets World could be trimmed considerably to be more like on K.C. Undercover, Stuck in the Middle, etc.—a basic outline containing the network, when the series premiered, who the series stars and was created by, etc. Anything further should go in the "Plot" or other appropriate sections, in my opinion. Amaury (talk | contribs) 20:14, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
- On the other hand, it looks to me like the lede at Bizaardvark needs to be fleshed out a bit more – it's pretty bare-bones... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:15, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
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Hey, did you catch where this one is supposed to be set? The 'intercut' scenes show trams, so I'm guessing Amsterdam. But did they say in the pilot?... TIA! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:55, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
I'm one of the creators of the show http://www.imdb.com/title/tt6622316/, yet you keep removing my (and my co-creator's) credit. As for the setting: Hunter Street is a Dutch production, the entire show was written and shot in the Netherlands/Amsterdam with a Dutch crew, back-to-back with the 'De Ludwigs'. Even most of the actors are (partially) Dutch. The country of origin is therefore The Netherlands, not the US. Reintws (talk) 10:53, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
You know, if Hunter Street gets a second season, the suggestion that we should maybe move "Clued In: A Hunter Street Special" to a "special" line in a Series overview table, a la "Girl Meets Demolition", probably has merit. But, until that point, you're right – we should leave it where it is in the episodes list... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:08, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
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Say, you wouldn't happen to have the ratings for this from one of your sources, would you? (That info needs to be added to List of Disney Channel original films...) Thanks in advance! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:43, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
- @Tangled: The Series forgot to add it there: [6] Archived 2017-12-08 at the Wayback Machine Amaury (talk | contribs) 03:51, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
- OK, will try to add that to
Tangled Ever After andList of Disney Channel original films in the next 12–24 hours... Thanks! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:54, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
- OK, will try to add that to
Do not use that tool again to revert anything other than vandalism, please. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 07:50, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
- Reverting socks is a clear exception to use it. Other administrators, users, and myself have been dealing with this user since October, so please don't come barging in here like that when you don't know the complete history. Thanks. Amaury (talk | contribs) 07:55, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
- I'm not trying to barge in here... I just wanted to re-impress upon you the fact that you should have used the Twinkle rollback feature in this case with an explanation. I of course wouldn't expect you to do so if they were editing a few dozen times a minute, but they weren't. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 08:02, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
- @Coffee: Thank you for clarifying your intentions. That extra clarification would have helped in your last message, but that's in the past now. Please enjoy your night, and I do mean that. Amaury (talk | contribs) 08:06, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
- I have a habit of coming off as too harsh inadvertently (perhaps from my blunt style). You're a great editor here, and I've always known you to be a reasonable person. So I definitely don't want you to take my warning above as anything other than advice, albeit firmly worded (that's, like I said, kinda my style in these [some might even argue most] matters). — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 08:20, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
- @Coffee: Thank you for clarifying your intentions. That extra clarification would have helped in your last message, but that's in the past now. Please enjoy your night, and I do mean that. Amaury (talk | contribs) 08:06, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
- I'm not trying to barge in here... I just wanted to re-impress upon you the fact that you should have used the Twinkle rollback feature in this case with an explanation. I of course wouldn't expect you to do so if they were editing a few dozen times a minute, but they weren't. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 08:02, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
I put that on the
- @Caleb Doerksen: It's true that we have some sources showing tweets and Tumblr posts from cast members saying so, but they cannot speak for the series. Only Disney Channel or the showrunner can and there have been no official announcements from either of them. As such, we can mention what the cast members have said, but we can't actually tag the series as over until there's either an official announcement or it has been one year since the last new episode, in which we automatically assume it's canceled. Until that point, anything could change and anything's possible. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:22, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
List of Disney Channel series
Amaury, from now on when you revert changes to either BFW or Lab Rats: Elite Force at either
- Certainly has been a mess in recent weeks regarding the status of BFW, and yet another IP effectively has requested that BFW be moved to the "Repeats of ended series" in the article List of programs broadcast by Disney Channel, at that article's talk page. I think I've given a firm response to the request, also referring everyone else making such a request to the talk page entry you mentioned above, IJBall. MPFitz1968 (talk) 18:02, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
- (Just noticed at Talk:List of programs broadcast by Disney Channel that the IP who made the request made the same request on March 15 over there, but apparently didn't get it the first time.) MPFitz1968 (talk) 18:12, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
Gabrielle Elyse
Gabrielle Elyse was in the main cast for every episode of
- @97.88.40.3: As of season two, she is no longer a main character. In the same vein that we move recurring characters who are promoted to series regular in a later season to main characters—for example, Principal Mullins in School of Rock—we also remove characters from main characters if they are no longer main. I'll invite Geraldo Perez, MPFitz1968, and IJBall for further feedback just in case there's a slight chance I may be wrong here. Amaury (talk | contribs) 15:57, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- It doesn't matter she's no longer a main character. That's a rule you made up. Per WP:TVCAST, which says, "The cast listing should be ordered according to the original broadcast credits, with new cast members being added to the end of the list. Articles should reflect the entire history of a series, and as such actors remain on the list even after their departure from the series." 97.88.40.3 (talk) 16:07, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- You need to be civil and not accuse others of things if you want this discussion to go anywhere. Also, for reference, they also started this discussion over on Talk:Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn#Gabrielle Elyse, but it must stay in one place. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:08, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- If you want to pull the civil card, we can take it to Wikipedia's admins, especially after I just quoted multiple policies to you, and your response was "...for further feedback just in case there's a slight chance I may be wrong here," which sounds pretty condescending to me. You're wrong. I've been editing television articles on Wikipedia for nearly a decade. The fact I'm behind an ip doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about. 97.88.40.3 (talk) 16:11, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- Regardless of who's right or wrong, per WP:BRD, the onus is on you to discuss. You were bold; I challenged it; now you discuss. Threatening to report me to the administrators for taking the proper procedures is rather silly as is claiming I was being condescending when I wasn't. Lose the attitude and discuss constructively. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:20, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- And I did discuss, even before you reverted me the second time. I've quoted multiple policies. You haven't quoted a single one. One other person on the talk page even disagrees with you. You're the one who brought civility into this after you seemed to imply I didn't know what I was talking about. Take your own advice and I'll follow suit. 97.88.40.3 (talk) 16:23, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- Again, it doesn't matter who's right or wrong. WP:BRD procedures must still be followed, and it was wrong of you to revert me. GP is a colleague of mine here and so I requested his feedback (as well as others' feedback). And for the record, I don't care if people disagree with me, what I care about is when they get unnecessarily "combative" with me, so to speak. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:27, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- Did I say it matters who's right or wrong? You implied I've not been trying to discuss. I did. If quoting policies isn't discussion, I don't know what is. I said a single thing out of frustration after you implied I don't know what I'm talking about, and then implied you're just not going to listen to me if I don't live up to your standards of civility. No, it's probably not the most constructive thing I've ever said, but you should probably reflect on your own behavior as well. It's such frustration that keeps some ips like me from becoming more involved in the project. Yes, civility's a great thing, but it shouldn't be used to ignore arguments. 97.88.40.3 (talk) 16:33, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- When you reverted me and failed to follow ) 16:42, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- Did I say it matters who's right or wrong? You implied I've not been trying to discuss. I did. If quoting policies isn't discussion, I don't know what is. I said a single thing out of frustration after you implied I don't know what I'm talking about, and then implied you're just not going to listen to me if I don't live up to your standards of civility. No, it's probably not the most constructive thing I've ever said, but you should probably reflect on your own behavior as well. It's such frustration that keeps some ips like me from becoming more involved in the project. Yes, civility's a great thing, but it shouldn't be used to ignore arguments. 97.88.40.3 (talk) 16:33, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- Again, it doesn't matter who's right or wrong.
- And I did discuss, even before you reverted me the second time. I've quoted multiple policies. You haven't quoted a single one. One other person on the talk page even disagrees with you. You're the one who brought civility into this after you seemed to imply I didn't know what I was talking about. Take your own advice and I'll follow suit. 97.88.40.3 (talk) 16:23, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- Regardless of who's right or wrong, per
- If you want to pull the civil card, we can take it to Wikipedia's admins, especially after I just quoted multiple policies to you, and your response was "...for further feedback just in case there's a slight chance I may be wrong here," which sounds pretty condescending to me. You're wrong. I've been editing television articles on Wikipedia for nearly a decade. The fact I'm behind an ip doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about. 97.88.40.3 (talk) 16:11, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- You need to be civil and not accuse others of things if you want this discussion to go anywhere. Also, for reference, they also started this discussion over on Talk:Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn#Gabrielle Elyse, but it must stay in one place. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:08, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- It doesn't matter she's no longer a main character. That's a rule you made up. Per
User Orchomen
Hey Amaury. I was wondering if you thought it was time we start categorizing Orchomen's sockpuppets by year? It's getting a little crowded and looks confusing. Callmemirela 🍁 {Talk} ♑ 02:23, 1 April 2017 (UTC)