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Happy New Year, and all the best to you and yours! (from warm Cuba) Bzuk (talk) 08:46, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

WP:FILM December 2010 Newsletter

The December 2010 issue of the WikiProject Film newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 04:00, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Question:

INRE: your summary used at the reversion,[1] where may I find the spot where "generally acceptable exceptions" are specifically listed? And would you not think the embolding of the word "not" acts to dismiss those rare exceptions encouraged by policy and guideline, and thus makes an interpretation of "never allows" possible as an interpretation at odds with policy? Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 21:36, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies. I was looking at something else at the time I wrote the edit summary; there are no "generally acceptable exceptions" that are "specifically listed." I do, however, support NFF in its current version and I do think that any changes to it should be discussed and agreed upon since it is quoted very very regularly at AfD. It wouldn't be fair to make a unilateral change to an often quoted and highly relevant guideline and then blind-side an AfD contributor who quotes NFF in a debate but has no idea that he's quoting something incorrect because it's been changed. That includes the bold formatting of "not". Big Bird (talk • contribs) 13:53, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ah... then my confusion was understandable (chuckle). My thought here, in considering that out of our many many thousands of film articles, is that we do have some 4 or 5 that have made it through AFD gauntlets to be accepted through consensus as representing those very rare rare rare exceptions to NFF. I am not lobbying that NFF be removed or relaxed... only that it be clarified to properly remind non-film folks that just as we are advised that essays should not be treated as guidelines, as a guideline NFF should not be treated as if it were a policy nor be treated as if it were an ironclad absolute... and that, as with any guideline, rare exceptions (such as those 4 or 5) are indeed allowed. And can you point me to the discusion where it was decided to embolden that word "not"? It seems to me that such emboldening acts to make guideline into a seeming over-ruling absolute that it is not supposed to be. I am reminded of

WP:POLCON and its advising on how to treat seeming conflicts between policy and guideline, and how advice pages should offer multiple options when dealing with perceived conflicts between them. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 20:14, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply

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My opinion that the exceptions are too rare to need to be specifically listed; we can deal with them on an individual basis. Maybe it's a good idea to bring your proposal at the guideline's talk page or WT:FILM for discussion? Big Bird (talk • contribs) 19:25, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, and will formulate a proposal, as it is just that the combative nature of the AFDs dealing with those rare exceptions, sometimes becomes too much the battleground. What would you think of our doing some rework at

WP:FUTFILM, we may just reduce the battles some. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 06:28, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply

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Well, an article needs to pass a notability threshold before it can make it to Future Films. Hence, if it fails NF and NFF there's nothing to be discussed at FF. I'd suggest to bring up the issue at

WT:FILM to join the discussion. I, personally, still believe NFF to be appropriate in its current form but that may be only because I haven't yet been presented with a better option. That's how things work with me in real life too, I never know what I'll like until I actually see it :) Big Bird (talk • contribs) 13:43, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply

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WP:FILM January 2011 Newsletter

The January 2011 issue of the WikiProject Film newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 03:10, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]