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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fernand_Lopez
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMA_Factory

Hi. Got two articles submitted for your review. Both come in light of Francis Ngannou becoming HW champ.

The first is about his coach, Fernand Lopez. Although Lopez was a fighter, his main notability comes from his coaching career. He established MMA factory, the biggest MMA gym in France. He is also known for being the former Coach of Francis Ngannou and the current coach of Ciryl Gane.

The second is about MMA factory itself. Its the biggest gym in France which has both produced and continue to train notable fighters.

Imcdc (talk) 18:42, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

notabaility guidelines as even thought there are many source, but those source either just mention the subject in passing mention or it is not independent (from interview which the info is derived from the subject himself). What you could do is (1) write the copyvio section in your own words and secondly try to find 3 sources which is independent and reliable from France articles, or any European mma press sites such as MMAnytt (Nordic countries), MMA viking (Nordic countries), https://mma.pl/ MMA pl (polish)], MMAdna (Dutch), Globe MMA, Le Monde or any French/European newspaper such as La Voix du Nord (fr), mma4fight (fr), mma sun, Mouv (fr), france fight (fr)

and etc for I believe there would be some article about him. I did a quick search, and see below if any of the sources are good to use (the sources are in different languages, so you need to click translate in your browser)

here-1

here-2

here-3

here-4

here-5

here-6

here-7

here-8

here-9

here-10

here-11

- here-12

Stay safe and best.

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) 23:29, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi. I have updated the page. See if this works now. Imcdc (talk) 13:13, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

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) 07:12, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Hey, no UFC event this week, but was wondering if you could review this page I created.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellator_MMA_Rankings

All the best. HeinzMaster (talk) 03:31, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

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) 06:17, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Hey, I just got two fighters that are eligible for notability.

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Alyona_Rassohyna Alyona Rassohyna
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Larissa_Pacheco Larissa Pacheco

All the best, HeinzMaster (talk) 20:31, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

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) 22:09, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

I too would like to become a rollbacker since I often edit articles with a high vandalism rate (eg: Abiy Ahmed). Unfortunately I am rarely in your time zone - but then I don't see any available trainers at Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism_Unit/Academy that are. Thanks in advance for your consideration of my application ! BushelCandle (talk) 02:00, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

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) 02:09, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick response.

Yes, I had to quit both paid and self-employment due to ill-health (I still do a small amount of voluntary and professional pro-bono work). https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/BushelCandle certainly shows the effects of that ill-health on my editing last year - but it also shows 400 edits in the first 3 months of this year. After my upcoming surgery next week, I would hope to be more active in the weeks to come... BushelCandle (talk) 03:00, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

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) 03:50, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your considered and very considerate reply.

I note your well-taken points - especially about stress.

While I can not undertake to be nearly as prolific an editor as yourself in the future, I don't think that a bit of guided self-education would come amiss. The plain fact is that I will be continuing to revert a small proportion of the edits I come across in the articles I have on my watchlist and I hope that my better knowing the relevant policies, techniques and templates will not cause me to be more damaging in this task. If my health allows, I intend to remain a long-term contributor and member in good standing of the Wikimedia communities.

May I alert you again in this sub-section when I am recovered from my upcoming operation and ready to learn at your guidance? BushelCandle (talk) 04:39, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

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) 04:45, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Following your advice to Dr Salvus above, I think I've finished the

tutorial now and, despite editing on Wikipedia since before May 2006, I still learned a few things. [ Incidentally, one thing that might be corrected with that tutorial is the way it creates a brand new User Page even if the student desperately does not want one! A better method might be to create a sub-page for the display of all those badges - perhaps at User:Student-name-here/About Me ? ] BushelCandle (talk) 00:22, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

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) 01:24, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

I've actually had the page User:BushelCandle/About Me for quite a while, but now my requested deletion of my User Page has been actioned, I can't seem to find those badges depicted in my screenshot anywhere - even though I've searched diligently at Wikipedia:Awards by WikiProject. Do you (or anyone else) know where they are to be found? BushelCandle (talk) 03:55, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

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) 04:24, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

I'm sorry for not writing more clearly; I understand that those TWA badges were successively and automatically placed on my (now deleted at my own request) User page as I worked through the TWA tutorial and completed each module. I also understand that I might have acted more wisely and copied those badges' image files (and the code for their placement) to User:BushelCandle/About Me before I successfully requested that my User page be deleted.

However, there must be image files for those individual TWA badges reposing somewhere on Wikipedia (or another Wikimedia repository) and I'm asking if anyone knows where they might be lurking... BushelCandle (talk) 05:54, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

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) 06:03, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Spot on!

Thanks a lot ! BushelCandle (talk) 06:43, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

At the risk of coming across a bit rude; but really, your "pls get consensus" reverts are unhelpful. Most things don't require consensus before being implemented - otherwise we'd be stuck endlessly discussing everything from the most minor grammatical correction and up on talk pages.

) 21:09, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

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) 21:30, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Except layout fixes and technical stuff like that (to repeat the example: changing See also [[WP:CRIN]] to {{further|WP:CRIN}}); especially when it's a non-substantive change to the guideline in question, doesn't really require consensus. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 21:33, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

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) 22:09, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

19:38, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

I would like to become a rollbacker. Can you teach me how to become one? Remember that I am not a native speaker and may not understand complex terms.

12:32, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Although I took the Wikibreak I would like to graduate from

Salvus

23:18, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Dr Salvus Buona giornata. Thank you for the message above and your interest in joining the CUVA program. I also understand English is not your first language and sorry to know that you have experienced a lot of complaints from other editors where you edits are considered disruptive and lack of Wikipedia:Competence is required and because of that you are in distress in editing Wikipedia. You have received a fair amount of advice of your edits and I have noticed you have taken them seriously. To say all that, the issue here is that your lack of understanding of Wikipedia guidelines (a lot of them).

We are all new editors once before and I am no exception. I understand the difficulty and the amount of reading an editor need to understand the basic Wikipedia guidelines. However, slowly and surely, we all get to where we wanted by editing only the area we have knowledge of and also adhere to Wikipedia guidelines. What I notice is that even thought you taken on the advice of other editors and admin, so how you still continue the same behavior unknowingly. Many of your advisers have commented you to edit only the area you are familiar with and yet you request to join the CUVA program instead of familiar yourself with the fundamental guidelines and observe the norm/how other experience editors edit the articles. Secondly, any editor can do the counter vandalism work with a rollback right, and it is not the right attitude to join CUVA just because you want the rollback right. Editors who join the CUVA is because they want to fight vandalism in English Wikipedia and they also are those editors who intent edit Wikipedia for many years to come. In addition, to do counter vandalism work is very stress task. Many editors would get very angry when they see their edits have been reverted which they would demand explanation and get extremely furious toward the counter vandalism editors who placed the warning messages in the talk page. They will send troll messages to the counter vandalism editors with all sort of foul languages (rude/ offensive/ swearing), threaten physical harm and lawsuit and I have received such messages before. For such I dont think you are ready to join the program at this stage of your editing background. However, I can do 2 part program for you where by you go throug the program doing the assignment without "actually" revert/sending messages or interact with the vandalized editors but identifying the vandalism/disruptive edits first, then if you do well, then we could go to the actual - part 2 program.

My advice to you is that, (1) very important - Read the Wikipedia guidelines (I used to spend hours each night reading Wikipedia guidelines when I started editing and it took me many months to familiar some basic guidelines), (2) make small edits on something every simple (3) observe how other experience editors edit the page by looking at the history page of the article. (4) Asking questions or help from

WP:TH

anything due to "editing" or experienced editors of a certain specific subject/topic before making any editing. (5) get yourself a "mentor" (6) very important - stay away from areas which need advance Wikipedia guidelines knowledge. (7) Take your time as Wikipedia is always here.

I suggest you to take up

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) 02:10, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

All right. I intend to do the 2 part programs you proposed to me. Later I will try to study the feedback I received and the rules of Wikipedia

Salvus

07:18, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

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) 07:34, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Salvus

08:18, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

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) 08:27, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

I have finished successfully. I feel ready for the part 2 program

Salvus

09:22, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

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) 09:37, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Unfortunately it is not working well with me but I have carried out all the tests

Salvus

09:39, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Dr Salvus No, you haven't finished all the missions (parts) of the program. If you have finished the program, we would have a record of them but we have only a small part of what you have finished.09:42, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Yaar just lemme take part in the CVUA program. TWA is not working well for me, I really wanna learn more about reverting vandalism and of course my main goal is to get the rollback rights and be the best rollbacker in this community. I don’t wanna disobey you but I’m just not enjoying the idiotic TWA program and it isn’t working well so pls let me participate in the anti vandalism course ffs. 223.191.33.85 (talk) 14:23, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

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) 01:03, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

After doing mission 5 I can't longer continue. 223.191.33.85 isn't my IP adress.

Salvus

12:37, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

I have failed many interventions against vandalism, for example here. I'd glady to stop making these mistakes. Attending the

Salvus

11:49, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

SO JUST LEMME PARTICIPATE IN THE CUVA PROGRAN.223.223.141.249 (talk) 09:29, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

I too would like to become a rollbacker since I often edit articles with a high vandalism rate (eg: Abiy Ahmed). Unfortunately I am rarely in your time zone - but then I don't see any available trainers at Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism_Unit/Academy that are. Thanks in advance for your consideration of my application ! BushelCandle (talk) 02:00, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

talk

) 02:09, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick response.

Yes, I had to quit both paid and self-employment due to ill-health (I still do a small amount of voluntary and professional pro-bono work). https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/BushelCandle certainly shows the effects of that ill-health on my editing last year - but it also shows 400 edits in the first 3 months of this year. After my upcoming surgery next week, I would hope to be more active in the weeks to come... BushelCandle (talk) 03:00, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

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) 03:50, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your considered and very considerate reply.

I note your well-taken points - especially about stress.

While I can not undertake to be nearly as prolific an editor as yourself in the future, I don't think that a bit of guided self-education would come amiss. The plain fact is that I will be continuing to revert a small proportion of the edits I come across in the articles I have on my watchlist and I hope that my better knowing the relevant policies, techniques and templates will not cause me to be more damaging in this task. If my health allows, I intend to remain a long-term contributor and member in good standing of the Wikimedia communities.

May I alert you again in this sub-section when I am recovered from my upcoming operation and ready to learn at your guidance? BushelCandle (talk) 04:39, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

talk

) 04:45, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Following your advice to Dr Salvus above, I think I've finished the

tutorial now and, despite editing on Wikipedia since before May 2006, I still learned a few things. [ Incidentally, one thing that might be corrected with that tutorial is the way it creates a brand new User Page even if the student desperately does not want one! A better method might be to create a sub-page for the display of all those badges - perhaps at User:Student-name-here/About Me ? ] BushelCandle (talk) 00:22, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

talk

) 01:24, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

I've actually had the page User:BushelCandle/About Me for quite a while, but now my requested deletion of my User Page has been actioned, I can't seem to find those badges depicted in my screenshot anywhere - even though I've searched diligently at Wikipedia:Awards by WikiProject. Do you (or anyone else) know where they are to be found? BushelCandle (talk) 03:55, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

talk

) 04:24, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

I'm sorry for not writing more clearly; I understand that those TWA badges were successively and automatically placed on my (now deleted at my own request) User page as I worked through the TWA tutorial and completed each module. I also understand that I might have acted more wisely and copied those badges' image files (and the code for their placement) to User:BushelCandle/About Me before I successfully requested that my User page be deleted.

However, there must be image files for those individual TWA badges reposing somewhere on Wikipedia (or another Wikimedia repository) and I'm asking if anyone knows where they might be lurking... BushelCandle (talk) 05:54, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

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) 06:03, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Spot on!

Thanks a lot ! BushelCandle (talk) 06:43, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

They cancelled my surgery this afternoon and put me back on the waiting list so I'm now ready to start the program ! BushelCandle (talk) 08:41, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

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) 08:53, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Wow - that was quick !

Thank you so much !

BushelCandle (talk) 09:06, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello Cassiopeia, I’m wondering if you would be interested in mentoring me for NPP school. I’m working towards building these skills not just to address the AfC/drafts backlog but also to be able to teach and mentor. (So, I’m quite interested in your successful teaching approach.) Over the last year, I’ve tried to explore and contribute to a wide range of page types and engage experienced editors for clarification and advice; recently, I’ve also begun to make minor suggestions for improvements outside of content editing. Regards, Zatsugaku (talk) 15:34, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

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) 08:30, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

I apologize for my lack of clarity; I do mean new pages. I was merely trying to also recognize the prospective work arising from new pages that reviewers decide meet the criteria for being moved to draft space. My supposition is that many such pages are improved and then reappear for NPP. (I was reading through the NPP and noted New pages patrol#Drafts, but I have no insight as to how often such moves and re-reviews happen.) Zatsugaku (talk) 21:11, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

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) 07:59, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. Yes, those expectations and time frame sound completely reasonable. There is certainly a vast amount of content to cover and to learn to apply contextually. I’ll look forward to completing the program promptly.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Zatsugaku (talk • contribs) 22:57, April 8, 2021 (UTC)

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) 22:50, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello Cassiopeia i was just wanting to ask if you still have a student slot open, and if i could fill that open slot!! FentonEditor (talk) 17:51, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

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) 00:58, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi Cassiopeia! I was wondering if you would be available to train me for CVUA, as I want to go through it even though I already (mostly) revert vandalism. Let me know if you can! My time zone is HAST or UTC-10:00. Thanks! xRENEGADEx ^{(talk | contribs)} 03:07, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

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) 04:42, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Cassiopeia  Done I'm planning to be more active on Wikipedia, but I took a looong wikibreak during the times you stated for personal reasons. I finished TWA, so I think I'm good now. xRENEGADEx ^{(talk | contribs)} 03:04, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

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) 03:22, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Hey Hey, back from the break and new fighters, one that can be approved right away (Justin Frazier)

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Justin_Frazier Justin Frazier

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jack_Shore Jack Shore
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Impa_KasanganayImpa Kasanganay
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Joe_Solecki Joe Solecki
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jarjis_DanhoJarjis Danho

All the best wishes, and the best of luck and health HeinzMaster (talk) 07:17, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

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) 16:45, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Cassiopeia I can do it till the main event, after that I will have to leave the house so I will be unavailable. I can do them later in the evening so you don't have to wake up or stay up. HeinzMaster (talk) 16:48, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

HeinzMaster thank you very much. appreciate it.16:53, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

CassiopeiaIf you want, you can approve all the above pages and I'll do the rest. HeinzMaster (talk) 17:16, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

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) 17:53, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Cassiopeia Filled out all the Fight bonuses on the individual fighter pages, updated records on the list of ufc fighters, and I was about to fill out the bonus info on the List of UFC bonus award recipients, but I see that you did that. I filled in the info on the 2021 in UFC page tho. Hope you had a good sleep. HeinzMaster (talk) 01:34, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

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) 02:54, 11 April 2021 (UTC)