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Hello,
would you mind explaining your recent removal of material from Robert Sheckley? It wasn't me who put it there, but I thought perhaps a "citation needed" tag is required, not complete removal. Jashiin (talk) 18:26, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
I actually did a quick google search and nothing about the quote turned up except for Wikipedia and various mirror/copies. If you go to
Wikipedia:BLP#Remove_unsourced_or_poorly_sourced_contentious_material,there's a quote from Jimbo that goes "There seems to be a terrible bias among some editors that some sort of random speculative 'I heard it somewhere' pseudo information is to be tagged with a 'needs a cite' tag. Wrong. It should be removed, aggressively, unless it can be sourced. This is true of all information, but it is particularly true of negative information about living persons". That, and the editor in question who added was an anon who only did about four edits, and all but one involved the Running Man.--CyberGhostface (talk
) 19:04, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Oh, I see; I agree with the removal now. I was worried because you didn't give any explanations in the edit summary. Thanks for replying! Jashiin (talk) 19:07, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi again
I was wondering as the resident Saw expert if there had been any word or scene I missed that explained what was in that letter to Amanda in Saw 3. It's been bugging me for a year+ now and theres no explanation I can remember or theory that I can come up with as to what would need to be written to her.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 00:47, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Aw man, it can't be that easy to draw your own conclusions if I haven't got a clue. The only thing I can imagine (Because, though I might be wrong, I remember Jigsaw telling her about the letter) is that it says he knows she hasn't been offering people the chance to live but if he tells her that it kinda messes up the end of the 3 unless she was too far gone at that point.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 01:54, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Hello again, and thanks for the message. The article is definitely improving, but in response to your question there are still a few things to do (some that I left out of my GA review as I thought I had probably given you enough work already!).
Before renominating at
WP:GAN
I'd recommend, if possible, adding further references. The GA criteria are pretty strict about this, probably more than anything else, and it tends to be the first thing picked up (although it depends to some extent on the reviewer you get!). As I said in the review, the minimum is usually regarded as one inline citation at the end of every paragraph that covers the contents of that paragraph, plus extra cites for quotations, controversial statements etc to prove they are not original research or editor commentary. You have all the quotations properly cited, but in much of the article there are very few citations for the actual text. To give but one example, the last paragraph of The Stand section makes the claims that:
In the original version King implies that Flagg may have had an out-of-body experience in the instant of the explosion that allowed him to spiritually (possibly magically, as later books suggest) escape unharmed. While the original version of the novel does not tell of Flagg's fate afterwards, the 1990 expanded re-release of the novel, The Stand: The Complete & Uncut Edition, explains that Flagg reappeared somewhere on a beach with complete amnesia, where it is suggested that he continued to wreak havoc upon the human race in his new form.
I don't doubt that this is true, but it needs to be referenced - in this case, citing the relevant pages of both versions of the book would allow a reader to follow up these claims for themselves. The same would go for much of the rest of the article.
In addition a copyedit is always beneficial; the prose is generally good so nothing major would be necessary, but it never hurts to get someone unfamiliar with the article to proofread. I noticed one or two small things while I was re-reading just now (I'm sure I saw 'it's' instead of 'it is' somewhere, but I've lost it!), and there are some phrases that come over as editor commentary that should be removed or reworded (eg 'oddly enough', 'Surprisingly, Walter looks hurt.' etc). The
League of copyeditors
may be useful here.
Finally, the article layout could perhaps be improved. The lead (per
WP:LEAD
) should be a summary of, not an introduction to, the article. It needs to briefly mention every major claim made in the article, and should cover every section. Although I think this is mostly sorted, there is no mention of reader/critic reaction to the character (ie the Literary analysis and criticism section). It may also help the article flow to have the next section below the lead as a "Concept and creation" section that deals with how and why King developed this character (this would perhaps be a better place for the quotation currently in the lead). I first expected to find this in the Origins section, but confusingly this deals with Flagg's in-universe origin, not the character origin from King's perspective.
Apologies for the long answer - hope this helps! EyeSereneTALK 11:25, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
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I haven't listened to the commentary, but I definitely think it's worth noting that the actor himself believes Dr. Gordon to be dead. Jack Of Hearts | Miss A Turn 21:40, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm probably not entitled to comment it just so happens that JackofHearts' talk page is on my watchlist still. Certainly if it comes from the actor himself its certainly worth mentioning, however I think it's worth bearing in mind that it's not cannon and so not an official fate. Agent452 (talk) 21:54, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Mischa Lecter
Per this edit summary, the reason I didn't do it that way is it seems to me that one picture of her is sufficient, and the other one shows her better. —
If you've written a quality article...
18:11, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
RE:Hoffman deletion
I made sure to copy the text from the article into my sandbox before it was deleted, but I don't have the time to do much editing on here today or tomorrow. Jack Of Hearts | Miss A Turn 00:09, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
So which articles next...Saw itself?
I guess from your comment on the current articles for deletion for the Pig Mask you're feeling like I'm feeling...pretty pissed off that despite the keep votes out-numbering the delete votes Hoffman was deleted anyway. And now the Pig Mask is up and so it will continue I guess. Think some soul should enter a petition to change the moto of wikipedia to "the Encyclopedia anyone can edit...provided they have a detailed knowledge of every single guideline, policy and discussion that has ever taken place." Anyway this rant was to pretty much say that I've voted keep but, like you said I hardly expect it to count...Agent452 (talk) 00:16, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Lemony Snicket Roll Call
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I think it's time to block this user: MrHaney, their comments on the talk page are inappropriate as well. Vrac (talk) 22:05, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
What have you against free speech? Mr Roth has a very strange obsession with other men's penises and uses his films as soapboxes from which to deliver bizarre lectures on child genital mutilation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MrHaney (talk • contribs) 22:14, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for dealing with it. Vrac (talk) 22:34, 26 January 2008 (UTC)