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October 2019
Please stop removing
Selling slower than one in a million is false.
According to this, it sold faster than “one in a million” by a month. Unless you have another source that proves otherwise?
https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?tab_active=default-award&ar=AALIYAH&ti=ONE+IN+A+MILLION
https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?tab_active=default-award&ar=AALIYAH&ti=AALIYAH
“One In a Million” was released 8/5/96
And was certified Gold on 10/23/96
“Aaliyah” was released 7/17/01 And was certified Gold on 8/14/01
Unless you can provide the official numbers for both albums during those time periods from soundscan, “selling slower than one in a million” is inaccurate, and should be removed. Dboy4100 (talk) 23:26, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
- Certifications are not indicators of sales within a timeframe. Cite a source that specifically says "sold faster". talk) 23:13, 8 October 2019 (UTC)]
“Aaliyah” sold slower
There’s also no article or source that states it “sold slower than one in a million” either.
The fact is “Aaliyah” received a gold plaque faster than “One in a Million”.. There is no official source, from billboard nor soundscan that states “Aaliyah” was selling slower. The certification is the most reliable source at this point and nothing proves “Aaliyah” “sold slower”. The link you provided next to that false statement doesn’t even state that it sold slower. It needs to be removed. Dboy4100 (talk) 23:39, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
- "the latter has had a slower start." - talk) 02:04, 10 October 2019 (UTC)]
Did you read the entire quote?
“The former sold two million, but despite contributions from Timbaland and rap potentate Missy Elliott, the latter has had a slower start.”
The article illogically compares “one in a million”’s sales after a year to “Aaliyah”’s sales after a month. “One in a million” did NOT sell 2 million in a one month time period, which can be verified as it was only certified gold two months after release and then platinum after 6 months which can be verified HERE
https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?tab_active=default-award&ar=AALIYAH&ti=ONE+IN+A+MILLION
It was no where near the “2 million sold” until The summer of 1997.
The article also got the lyrics wrong for one of her songs. Not very accurate.
You are misattributing the point of comparison. "Slower" is attributed to "start," not "total." You need to cite contradictory sources or get over this please.
You cannot cite chart numbers from 1997 and compare them to those in 2001. Billboard's chart methods have measured musical releases' popularity differently over the years, with a crucial policy change in 1998. See
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Re: Aaliyah (album)
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It’s only an edit war because you would rather use an article that makes a statement with no numerical evidence rather than use billboard that proves that claim in that guardian article wrong.
Please explain, what makes that guardian article more accurate than billboard? Dboy4100 (talk) 14:05, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
Self titled- 187k first week
One in a million- 40k first week
How is self titled “selling slower” off these numbers alone? That’s an increase by nearly 4X. Confirmed by billboard. And further proven wrong by Self titled doing better in a 6 week run on the charts.. What statistical evidence proves Self titled was selling slower than One In a Million? The Guardian failed to even state any numbers, and the reason for that is because it’s wrong and incaccurate. Dboy4100 (talk) 14:08, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
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September 2021
{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. Bbb23 (talk) 16:59, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
Dboy4100 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
Why should I be blocked for correcting something that was wrong, which I have proven by not only numerical evidence, but backed by billboard as well as RIAA. The guardian is not an official or accurate source for album sales. There has yet to be proof that Aaliyah’s self titled album was selling “slower” than One In a Million, especially when Aaliyah self titled outsold One in a Million’s first week sales by almost 4X. Aaliyah’s album chart run in 6 weeks (before her passing) 2>5>17>25>27>19 One In a million’s chart run in 6 weeks 20>23>33>42>46>51 https://www.billboard.com/charts/billboard-200/2001-08-04 https://www.billboard.com/charts/billboard-200/1996-09-14 https://www.billboard.com/charts/billboard-200/2001-09-08 https://www.billboard.com/charts/billboard-200/1996-10-19 Where is the evidence that self titled was selling slower? A one off statement from an article is not enough to verify that claim when billboard statistically shows otherwise. Dboy4100 (talk) 17:24, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
Decline reason:
"Why should I be blocked for correcting something that was wrong" Because you edit-warred in the process, something your unblock request, by completely failing to acknowledge, does not make me hopeful that you will not return to doing once the block expires. But ... you could always surprise me. — Daniel Case (talk) 04:52, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
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We discussed it and the editor refused to change it despite it being proven wrong, for several years. Since when is the guardian more accurate for sales than billboard and riaa? And again, that guardian article that’s cited provides no numbers or stats as evidence to prove such a claim, while on the other hand, I did. Isnt the point of editing is to correct something that’s shown to be inaccurate?
Dboy4100 (talk) 13:59, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
- You can't cite your own interpretation of your own research as a source. That is talk) 16:09, 13 September 2021 (UTC)]
“Do you have a source that actually says Aaliyah didn't have a slower start selling than One in a Million? “
Yes, in the first week alone.
Aaliyah-187k first week
One in a million-40k first week.
The airplay is counted for invidivual singles, not entire albums.
Forbes here, unlike the guardian, points out actual numbers. self titled did about 62k in its 6th week, as compared to one in a million that only did 40k in its first week, thus further proving it was not selling “slower” than one in a million. In Self titled’s sixth week it still eclipsed One in a million in its debut week at 40k.
https://www.forbes.com/2001/09/10/0910aaliyah.html?sh=3853e3103e7e
One in a million’s biggest week was in christmas of 1996, at only 71k copies, which was nearly four months after its debut, still less than Self titled’s 187k debut week.
https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_yxIEAAAAMBAJ/page/n87/mode/2up
Here, billboard writes an article about how Self titled’s sales were four times greater than one in a million.
https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/78998/keys-wards-off-aaliyah-foxy-at-no-1
In conclusion, these are more factors that proves Self titled was not “selling slower” with numerical evidence, and not just a simple statement without any numbers to verify such claims. The Guardian maybe highly reputable, but they are not official souces of sales as compared to billboard. Dboy4100 (talk) 16:25, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
- In conclusion, we ought to patiently discuss this further at the article talk page, and not resort to anything impulsive. We are not the enemy here. It is how you went about this, disrupting the state of the article in a single-minded impulsive effort that exhausted our patience for your arguments. I look forward to discussing this further there and determining an agreed-upon course of action with you after your block ends. talk) 17:34, 13 September 2021 (UTC)]
- Please just take it easy for the time being 🙏 talk) 17:35, 13 September 2021 (UTC)]
Apologies for causing the mishap, I do hope you take these sources as consideration for removing that tidbit from this article, we will talk soon.
Take care. Dboy4100 (talk) 19:03, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
- Okay, after taking a look at your sources, I concede math is not my strong suit, and I am on the fence about this given that the album's sales dropped drastically prior to her death. However, replacing the Guardian claim with the diminished sales claim reads better. So for readability's sake, I have changed it. talk) 04:45, 14 September 2021 (UTC)]
Thank you, this statement is more fair and accurate Dboy4100 (talk) 18:18, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
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