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Your wording on Bach is an improvement. But please return Bach's Weimar employer to the article, the link is important to understand connections, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:16, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you, Gillartsny for your post regarding the spelling for his name. That was very enlightening. It was also during the Soviet era that Russian musicians, both in and out of official postions, were downgrading Rachmaninoff as a composer. I think the last thing Sergei would have wanted was the Soviets dictating how his name should be spelled in the West!THD3 (talk) 16:15, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! I see that you added "conservative" to the description of the Hoover Institution in the opening sentence of the article. Although I tend to agree with you, I removed it, because it has been discussed several times on the talk page of the article, and there did not seem to be a consensus to have it there. You added it again with a pile of references (although only one was a Reliable Source clearly stating "conservative"). The problem is that the Institution itself denies the label. I have come up with what I think is a fair and encyclopedic solution. Rather than including it as part of the identification of the Institution in the first sentence, I inserted a well-sourced sentence later in the lead section, saying that most people regard it as "conservative" but the Institution rejects the label. I hope this approach is acceptable to you; if not, please discuss it on the talk page. Thanks for bringing about a fresh look at this issue. --MelanieN (talk) 16:49, 16 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No Melanie, I do not consider that an acceptable solution. And while I appreciate your conciliatory tone, I have to say this is abject nonsense. I see from your bio that you went to Stanford so you know better than most that HI is in incontrovertible fact a conservative think tank (and I've added a link below to that effect from Stanford's own website). In fact the patron saint of modern conservatism, Ronald Reagan, called the Hoover Institution "the brightest star in a small constellation of conservative think tanks." (1981)^[1] (He also chose more people from Hoover to help with his campaign than from any other institution). A cursory glance at the current list of Hoover Fellows would disclose names like Henry Kissinger, George Schultz, Condoleeza Rice and Edwin Meese without any suggestion of balancing liberal viewpoints. The list of references I posted included citations from The New York Times, The Los Angeles Times and the Christian Science Monitor among others, all specifically using the word "conservative" so why you should claim there was only 1 "Reliable Source" included I am not sure. And those were just the top 7 or 8 results of a Google search that returned over 20,000 entries. Kindly cite me anything that says HI has denied that it represents a conservative viewpoint. I can't find any source to that effect. I'd also like to know why you consider using the term conservative with regard to HI as inappropriate despite literally tens of thousands of references supporting that adjective — and especially since you used to take the opposite view. The mere fact that some Wikipedians may disagree is not a sufficient reason to revert an edit as well sourced as this. There are still people who maintain fluoridation of water is a communist plot, it doesn't mean that Wikipedia should enshrine such nonsense.Gillartsny (talk) 23:35, 17 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The link you provide is not a neutral source. It is a polemic - basically an op-ed piece from an individual, namely Ron Rebholz, prof. Emeritus of English. His use of "we" leaves it unclear whether he is speaking for anyone else as well, but his essay makes it clear that he is making assertions: "We claim that the Hoover Institution, distinct from the projects of its individual fellows, has a political bias." "What we are claiming is that the Institution, distinct from the projects of its individual fellows, maintains a political bias." We cannot rely on an opinion piece as a source of facts for this encyclopedia. In the body of the article, we could expand on the connection between Hoover members and several Republican administrations (while pointing out that Hoover scholars have worked in Democratic administrations as well). And I agree that their definition of their founding principals sounds a lot like some versions of political conservatism; that is why I quoted it in my sentence. But to deduce from that statement of principals that it should be assigned a label of "conservative", when it does not so label itself, smacks of Original Research.

Let me ask: why is it so important to you to have the word "conservative" in the lead sentence, rather than a more nuanced labeling of it as "conservative" in the second paragraph of the lead? --MelanieN (talk) 00:23, 18 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. Of the five sources you added: #3 is a website which does not meet the definition of a Reliable Source; #4 is a NY Times blog, just a list with no indication of what it is based on; #5 is a partisan website; #6 is a good source from the Christian Science Monitor, which I retained; #7 from the LA Times is a reliable news story, which is basically about the attempt to fire the director but in passing refers to the Institution as an "independent, policy-oriented research organization of conservative hue", so maybe we could keep that one. But I think the three sources I provided to support "conservative" are better: your CSM article, an Encyclopaedica Britannica article, and a book. That is followed by just one source saying that "those affiliated with the Institution" object to calling it conservative, right wing, or Republican; however that statement is immediately followed by the new director's statement that its "noble purpose" is to support free enterprise and small government, so people can draw their own conclusions. --MelanieN (talk) 00:37, 18 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm embarrassed to even respond to someone named NinjaRobotPirate which makes me think I'm talking to a 14-year old (real or mental age), but since you've just violated your own 1-reversion rule by reverting this again, I'd like to point out that both the cites that you claim need further info provide sources for the requested info in the text just ahead of your senseless cleanup tag. I came to the DH article in a search for something else, and personally I couldn't give a toothpick about Daryl Hannah, but I am so sick of seeing articles crowded with cleanup tags over info that is either already provided (like these) or of such minor interest to the article that they are superfluous, that I thought I'd remove these as a test case .

I've also read the self-puffery on your editor's page and I would just point out that as I have been editing Wikipedia articles since 2004, quite a bit longer than you have, I need no lessons from you on how to do it. Your threat to report me as Disruptive is so silly I'm not even going to defend myself here.

WP seems these days to be attracting as editors the kind of prissy, power obsessed, high school know-it-alls who were such a pain in the bottom when we were IN high school. Anyway, I'm not going to waste any more of my time over this. Have your tags if you want them, and by the way, why don't YOU add the citations you want since you apparently find the lack of them so irritating? Should be easy, since the sources are already given in the text.Gillartsny (talk) 16:33, 30 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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