User talk:GrammarEnthusiast/Archive 2

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Thanks, samtar. I was not the creator of the draft, just the user who addressed issues with it so it could pass AfC review. When I work on drafts that have previously failed AfC review, I either wait for the creator (or other contributor/s) to resubmit them, or resubmit them myself, because I don't meet the requirements to be an AfC reviewer yet and therefore don't feel I should move the drafts to mainspace myself.

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Hi GrammarFascist: Thanks so much for the friendly welcome. It's very helpful. I actually just added a message to a page that you had noticed also, and that is for the ZAP group. I live in CA wine country and go to probably too many wine events so am familiar with many of the organizations. From what I can tell, ZAP seems to have accomplished a lot of things above and beyond just wine events which would make them a good candidate for an article. I have time these days and would like to spend some of it writing so thought putting something together here would be a good project. BTW, as an old editor I find your username to be enjoyable- I have been accused to being similar! best, PH Solution (talk) 23:10, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Hello again,

Wikipedia's notability standard

can be difficult to meet; it requires not just multiple articles that mention the subject, but that are entirely or substantially about the subject. Thus, for example, an article about legislation that mentions ZAP's advocacy would not contribute toward the notability requirement, but an article about ZAP that mentions their legislation advocacy would count. I also saw many articles, though I didn't read all of them; but I did not see any that I thought would be sufficient to establish ZAP's notability to be the subject of its own article on Wikipedia.

As I said, however, I do believe there are more than sufficient sources to establish the notability of

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23:40, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

You make lots of good points. I might indeed try some random articles first. One aspect puzzles me that perhaps you can help. Before I did any research on the ZAP group, I looked at many other wine organizations to see how they fared. Most did not have entries, but some did. One was the Wine Institute, which had very few references (although I know of it and they do some really good work), and the other was the Rhone Rangers, which actually cited ZAP as the model for their organization and had very few links about them directly. Let me quickly add that I don't want to flag these groups or bring unwanted attention, but it seemed that if they could be included, then the ZAP should definitely be. Maybe I should create a personal sandbox and post what I've researched and see what interested people think? BTW, I appreciate all your help and won't bug you for advice. PH Solution (talk) 23:53, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Let me get talk-page indenting out of the way first. It is customary for the first comment in a topic to be unindented. The next person to reply begins each paragraph of their response with a colon, as I did above, and you did too. However, each person responding is supposed to use one more colon than the person above them did. I have corrected your indenting, and as you'll see when you edit the page again, I used ::: in this response. Your next reply should have four. This is also the convention when editing the Teahouse's questions page directly. Indenting should generally not, however, be used on articles.

While Wikipedia has a number of policies, and even more guidelines (policies are expected to be followed, guidelines are optional), with nearly five million articles, it's inevitable that some articles will exist which are not up to standards. This does not mean, however, that just because some articles that shouldn't be here have "flown under the radar," therefore other articles that shouldn't be here should get to break the rules too. (In many cases the articles with problems can be improved upon until they do meet Wikipedia's standards, rather than simply deleted. But some are unsalvageable.)

You can absolutely put the sources you've found together in

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00:33, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! Now I know how to indent. A quick procedure question- I notice that the article on ZAP that we both commented on has been relisted. I read about what that means, which I understand is to essentially initiate a bit of straw poll. Is it appropriate for me (and I guess you, too) to add a comment under the relist indication with a Keep (or something else), or will my comment further up be considered in the poll? And should I be specific with some of the references as examples? As I'm delving further into this topic I keep finding interesting articles. PH Solution (talk) 18:05, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

I have not participated in many deletion discussions yet,

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17:59, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Hey GrammarFascist. Thanks for the kind comment on the deletion discussion! I guess over 20 years of editing and publishing magazines helped me a little bit. Must say I enjoy doing this. I sure hope I didn't overstep bounds by making a full rewrite, but I felt the patient would have died otherwise. Thanks again!!!PH Solution (talk) 02:27, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

You're quite welcome,

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03:55, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks again. I'm glad for two things: 1) that you can be a copy editor, and 2) that you are willing to clean it up. I'm sure you will do a great job. best, PH Solution (talk) 04:34, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

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I wanted to let you know that there's a discussion about whether Sheila Cameron (artist) should be deleted. Your comments are welcome at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sheila Cameron (artist) .

If you're new to the process,

Thanks,  ' Olowe2011 ^Talk 04:38, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Hello,

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05:00, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

• Notability being why does this person matter and why does this page about her need to be on Wikipedia. Notability isn't about providing proof that the person exists or their work exists (even if those who show this fact are independent sources.) It is about proving the fact they are noteworthy. For example I consider myself an artist and I could easily pay £150 to get some artwork tossed into my local art gallery. This information could then be featured on some sites and bam I suddenly become eligible for a Wikipedia article - this is something I do not agree with.  ' Olowe2011 ^Talk 05:05, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

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Thank you! DashaG11 (talk) 13:21, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Hello, DashaG11, I apologize for not getting back to you sooner. Images are not an area of Wikipedia I consider myself well-versed in, and I was completely unfamiliar with the screenshot policy, so I needed to do some research.

I would like you to read Wikipedia:Software screenshots and make sure that the screenshot you made complies with Wikipedia guidelines for screenshot use in articles. I don't know why the previous image was deleted, but the fact that it was makes me want to be extra careful with replacing it. I do agree that ideally Commander One would have a screenshot of the program illustrating the article.

Also, even if the screenshot can be used on Wikipedia, I cannot upload it for you. The copyright for almost any image belongs to the creator of the image, and under ordinary circumstances only that person is authorized to upload their image to Wikipedia or to Wikimedia Commons. (Logos are displayed on Wikipedia under the Fair Use exception, which is why I could upload that for you.) Don't worry, though, the upload process is not terribly complicated. —

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03:39, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

The article