User talk:Jenova20/Archive 8

Hey @

Miss Bono:, that's

my Bender =P

If you do take a photo of the Bender graffiti then let me know so i can see it as i'd be very interested.

Thanks and have a nice day ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 14:36, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Hehehe nice joke :P. I will let you know as soon as I have taken the picture :D. So I guess you don't have a funny Bender made with symbols? Don't worry, it's ok! See you around :D

PS:By the way, I've just finished to watch 6th Season. And... I love The Simpsons too!!

I grew out of the Simpsons years ago personally, and i'm very disappointed that Futurama has been cancelled again (is this the second or third time?). I could try and make a Bender but i didn't actually make the Zoidberg, just copied it. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 15:00, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

They cancelled Futurama again ZOMG... They don't know what they are doing.

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No they don't. At least Futurama is funny, the Simpsons got old years ago. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 08:21, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

My favourite Simpsons' episode is when U2 appears :)

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12:28, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Strange enough, I could have probably guessed that =P ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 15:28, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Yup, I mean.. it's not the best episode but my fav band is there, so I like it :P. The best part? When U2 staff kicks Homer's butt :P

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15:39, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

gay village
Thank you, colourful WTT graduate who likes pink, for quality articles such as Citroën C3 Picasso and other cars, for projects such as Birmingham Gay Village, for being "constantly dismayed ..." and collecting evil creatures with love, for editor retention, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:37, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

That's very generous of you @Gerda Arendt: =D

It's been quite a while since i've got any awards, and this is my most valuable yet! Thank you very much and have a nice weekend! ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 16:16, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

You are welcome to that club, a colourful mix of people! Look for Birmingham on my talk ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:45, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

You like Birmingham topics? Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 19:54, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

I heard that concert when I thought a friend who lives there was banned. He took the picture (which appeared in the SignPost) and wasn't banned (I learned that arbs can change their votes, didn't know that, new to arbcom). Then the music sounded as cheerful as the composer intended, after all, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:28, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I love the tabs at the top of your Talk page. Is it OK to copy it for my own talk page or is that 'out-of-line'? Cheers Melbourne3163 (talk) 22:50, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

I already stole them from Reaper Eternal so go for it =P

They require a few more pages than it seems. I think they are:

• User:Jenova20/Colourbar add1 to the end of that article title/ add 2/ add 3/add 4/add 5

Good luck ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 22:56, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the kitten! You can have one too! No one needs reasons for kittens! I'm glad you appreciate my work on the reference desk. I'd like to do more in the article space, but so far I haven't run into an article (or lack of an article) that has pushed me into putting work into it.

Katie R (talk) 14:54, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, i've got quite a few in progress listed on my userpage, although i'm not sure if any would interest you or if you wanted to collaborate on one together? Thanks very much for the Kitty ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 15:20, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi Jenove. I have taken the liberty of reposting some of your content from User:Jenova20/Criticism of the Daily Mail and Mail Online at my own collection User:John/Is the Daily Mail a reliable source?. I hope that's ok and of course you are welcome to copy any of my content. --John (talk) 17:51, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Wow, that's a lot of work you've done! I'll take a look through. Is that for an essay or a future article titled "Is the Daily Mail a reliable source"? Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 18:09, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Good question. Probably it will remain a user page for now, but I might use some of them on the Daily Mail article; I'm sort of dubious about User:Collect's claim that the Guardian and the Mail are successfully sued equally frequently and am awaiting some evidence to that effect. It may also come in handy if we need to hold an RfC to underline the community's acceptance that the Mail is an unsafe source for BLPs, something that it has become apparent we may need to have. --John (talk) 17:16, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

I remember hearing something about it somewhere once been on a list of unreliable sources (or something to that effect) but I can't remember exactly. I'm watching the Daily Mail and Mail Online pages anyway. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 17:43, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Check the PCC site itself for numbers of complaints. In 2012, over 12,000 complaints were lodged. Of these in only 101 was the Code breached. Looking at June 2013, for example, there were fewer than 61 separate complaints against the DM. None were found to be a breach of standards by the PCC. Daily Telegraph 34 - no breach. Virtually every major paper is in the list ... and no breaches were adjudicated by the PCC. "The Sun" did have one case where remedial action was taken. In May 2013, only one case was "adjudicated upheld" - against the "South Wales Argus". Similar numbers for other months. I used "separate cases" as sometimes 20 complaints were made for the same article -- the Daily Mail is the only paper to attract "mass complaints" for trivial stuff like a "2 Day Diet" which was complained about etc. No sign of breaches of the Code, nor any of defamation that I could find. Yo are welcome to do the stats -- the Telegraph and Sun have comparable actual figures to the DM, and the Guardian has up to 1/2 the complaints. In point of simple fact, almost all of the complaints verge on the ludicrous :(. To assert the DM has an unusual number of libel losses does not compute. Even The Times lost to Lance Armstrong. Collect (talk) 18:58, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

The PCC refused to do anything about the Stephen Gately column from Jan Moir, which was clearly not appropriate or acceptable. Is that a good example of the PCC doing its job when complaints are given? Hardly the best example you could have given Collect. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 19:08, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

You seem intent on using anecdotal evidence where solid official evidence contradicts your claims. Cheers. Collect (talk) 20:46, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) Some PCC statistics here

"Some of the results here – that The Sun and The Mail would be far in the lead in terms of number of complaints, for example, and that the The Sport would be full of breaches – are to be expected." --

However, the percentage of complaints upheld by the PPC isn't a good measure to judge newspapers. For instance, there's the fact that:

Three newspaper editors are represented on the Commission: those of The Sunday Telegraph, The Sunday Mirror and The Mail on Sunday – coincidentally the three papers least likely to have complaints upheld against them in adjudication. --

The number of complaints is a valid measure, but the number of cases upheld is not; only a miniscule number of complaints actually are upheld (in the region of one percent[1]), often due to sufficient 'remedial action' being offered (i.e. typically a postage-stamp sized retraction buried within the paper). --

Chairman of the PCC’s Editor’s Code of Practise Committee and Daily Mail Editor, Paul Dacre, has promised to fully investigate complaints about a Daily Mail article he personally approved."PCC’s Paul Dacre to ‘fully investigate’ Daily Mail story he completely approved of" News Thump

Also, there's the matter of illegal news-gathering techniques to consider.

In 2006 the Information Commissioner named the Daily Mail among newspapers which had dealt with a firm of private investigators involved in the illegal trade of personal information. The report, What Price Privacy Now?, said the Mail had used the firm the most - with 952 transactions by 58 journalists.

Daily Mail editor Paul Dacre 'never approved hacking' BBC News, 18 July 2011 --

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21:58, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Top offenders identified in Operation Motorman. For the full list see: "What Price Privacy Now? p.9

Further reading:

And what does the "invasion of privacy" issue have to do with whether it is generally a "reliable source" per

WP:RS? OORC, The Guardian is in competition with other newspapers, and, as such, is a teensy bit likely to dislike them. AFAICT from PCC data etc., there is no reason to believe the DM is unreliable as a source, only that for some reason it attracts multiple unfounded complaints over many articles -- which rather shows the dislike some have for it more than it shows unreliability per WP requirements. And his book ranks an astounding 805,738 at Amazon <g>. Which the ever-reliable Guardian calls "best-selling" of course [2] Collect (talk

) 08:40, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

"Articles should be based on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy."

Does the Mail have a reputation for "fact-checking and accuracy"? Or do they in fact have a reputation for racism (even the BNP think the Mail are insanely racist!), religious intolerance, homophobia, bullshit cancer scare-stories, etc, etc... How many times have their actions ruined someone's life?

Amazing how much "anecdotal" evidence seems to be out there. You don't think that the illegal gathering of personal information is a problem? It's harassment, stalking and further evidence that this news group in particular is almost completely amoral. Time and time again, they have demonstrated that they simply do not care about the truth, so why should they be used in an encyclopedia? --

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09:28, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

The PCC is a joke, as has been amply demonstrated above. I already mentioned that Paul Dacre sits on the committee! (As does Geordie Greig of The Mail on Sunday)--

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09:37, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Zero breaches after hundreds of complaints = a reasonable expectation that the source is reliable. The BNP;'s opinion is worth bupkis. That you dislike the PCC is of no import at all -- what we have here is simply "ODONTLIKETHEDAILYMAIL THEREFOREITMUSTBE BANNED" which fails any test found in

WP:RS for sure. Cheers. Collect (talk

) 13:08, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

• "Did the PCC fail when it came to phone hacking?" Media Standards Trust (Answer: Yes)
• "Leveson Inquiry: PCC investigation 'was whitewash'" BBC News
• "Press Complaints Commission to close in wake of phone-hacking scandal" Guardian

David Cameron today and Ed Miliband yesterday were in uncommon agreement that it must be ditched. Baroness Buscombe, its chairman, never looked remotely up to the task of holding a newspaper out of control to account. For what, the Baroness plaintively asked, could she do if lied to by senior figures in the press? This is truly pathetic. "Absent, ineffective, lacking in rigour," was Mr Cameron's judgement.

• "The Press Complaints Commission is another victim of the phone hacking scandal" Economist --
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I'm thinking about making a new article about films related to hate crime murders called List of Films about Hate Crimes. I was going to divide it into sections. So far I have Black, Asian, Native American, Jewish and LGBT. I am also more than willing to admit that at this time the list is incredibly americentric which is not my intention. Here is the list so far Blacks: Sins of the Father, Attack on Terror, Mississippi Burning, Murder in Mississippi, Neshoba, Blood Done Sign my Name, Two Towns of Jasper and Jasper Texas. Asians: Who Killed Vincent Chin?, Vincent Who? Native Americans: Thunderheart, Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee, A Place called Chiapas. Jewish: The People vs. Leo Frank, Betrayed, Talk Radio, Crown Heights, Brooklyn Babylon and for LGBT I have Any Mother's Son, Boy's Don't Cry, The Brandon Teena Story, Anatomy of a Hate Crime, The Laramie Project, The Matthew Shepard Story, Laramie Inside Out, Matt Shepard is my Friend, Soildier's Girl, A Girl Like Me, Clapham Junction and Accesory to Murder. I was hoping you could do two things for me. A) Add some UK films and B) Expand the LGBT section and others if you can. Thanks:)-Rainbowofpeace (talk) 01:01, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

I like that!

2001 Maniacs - people killed for not being from the South in America. Features racism and homophobia also.

Nightmare on Elm Street (lol) - youngsters targeted because of what their parents did. Ageism.

That's all I can think of atm but I'll look properly at work ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 07:27, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Those are not exactly what I was thinking about but I know you and I know you will come up with some great films.-Rainbowofpeace (talk) 07:40, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

I'll do better when I'm awake properly. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 07:45, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Torch Song Trilogy. Rivertorch (talk) 10:46, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Very appropriate =D

I'm going to post this at the LGBT Wikiproject page also. Thanks Rivertorch ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 10:49, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Jenova20. You have new messages at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan.
Message added 14:59, 11 October 2013 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

--benlisquare_T•C•E 14:59, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Translated, see WPJAPAN. --benlisquare_T•C•E 11:22, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

I was told of a possible solution to this problem. More here.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 13:22, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. I'll check in from time to time. I don't really have ample time to contribute a lot though. Thanks again ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 13:24, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

If you noticed the date, no one has bothered to do anything in months. But I made the proposal, sort of.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 17:46, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

And you may not have noticed. I made a mistake on that link, so you couldn't tell which topic I posted on.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 17:48, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your input on comment on person rather than content. Please read the Wiki guidance that describes that as a personal attack.Patroit22 (talk) 16:13, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

I've read it many times. And i agree with Andy's comment following yours. You didn't get your way in a disagreement on the talk page and struck out, calling the perceived censorship of the information you wish to add a "farce" (an insult to the discussion and every contributor).

Saying you are "out of touch" with the rest of the contributors to that discussion would therefore be factually accurate, since you currently have no support for the changes you want.

If you want to disagree with that analysis, that's fine, but clearly you need a better argument on the talk page. This is just a distraction from your lack of consensus. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 17:23, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Jenova20 These comment are directed at me and not my comments and appear to be a separate personal attack. What is the basis? Am I am missing something?Patroit22 (talk) 18:37, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

If you're accusing me of a

personal attack now then you need to read that policy. And yes, you are missing something. Read the comments people have made again. Not everything is a personal attack, some of it is constructive criticism. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email

) 18:44, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

No, this was not accusing you of a personal attack but your posts seem to question whether comments on contributors rather than contents comply with Wiki standards. Ciao. Patroit22 (talk) 17:55, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Some people don't understand diplomacy. Ciao ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 18:27, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Jenova Comments on another talk page about me trolling are unfounded.Patroit22 (talk) 19:15, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

For goodness sake, don't encourage him! (I LOL'd though...) Kim Dent-Brown ^(Talk) 21:48, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

For the most part i think he's doing good and his (Sometimes) short fuse is completely understandable. I've seen a lot of IPs and even registered users trying to kick him when he's down (And even bring him down to be able to kick him when he's down) and me being part of Wikiproject Editor Retention, i think that's terrible. I'd rather we slap the trolls upside the head and defend productive users from them, rather than allow the free-for-all that can force good editors away (stress and annoyance, etc).

We can encourage users to be productive and assimilate them into this culture, but they need to learn the behavioural norms around here. I had to learn too, and so should they. If they refuse to get along, attempt to bait others, troll, misinterpret, and attack, then they should be dealt with. Some of them get too many chances and more rope to hang themselves than they need.

I'm glad you got a laugh from that post, it appears to have unfortunately been taken down... Thanks and have a nice day/night Kim ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 23:05, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Trick or Treat! Happy Halloween Jenova20! I hope you have a great day and remember to be safe if you go trick-or-treating tonight with friends, family or loved ones. Happy Halloween! —  dainomite   15:14, 31 October 2013 (UTC) Help spread Wikilove by adding {{subst:User:Dainomite/HappyHalloween}} to other users' talk pages whether they be friends, acquaintances or random folks.

Thank you very much Dainomite! ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 16:36, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

	Hello Jenova20, Miss Bono has given you an lovely bat, to wish you a Happy Halloween! You see, these things promote WikiLove and hopefully this has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a lovely bat! Enjoy!
	Spread the goodness of a lovely bat by adding {{ User:Miss Bono/Halloween }} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Thanks you very much Miss Bono and have a happy halloween! ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 19:45, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh

^{[hello, hello!]}

19:47, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Haven't seen a single trick or treater all night! You jinxed it! That's it! Halloween is cancelled now! No worries, i'll eat the sweets myself ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 22:16, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

It looks like he removed material from Senegal before going on vacation and then restored it on his November 1 return.[3]. I reverted it (and then forgot I had done so, and reverted what turned out to be my own reversion, so now I've re-deleted it again).

Also, this discussion I initiated on his talk page and my follow-up on my talk page in case he decides to address me there when he feels like it. —Largo Plazo (talk) 18:59, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Looks like you handled it pretty well and with a good explanation. The user has responded by banning you from his/her talk page though...I'll stick the article on my watchlist to keep an eye on it.

Thanks for the heads up Largo plaza ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 19:16, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

I suggest you review the above rule. You are not above it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.183.128.181 (talk) 13:24, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

If you want to delete three quarters of an article then the

Burden is on you to prove your point and give good reasoning, not on the person reverting your deleting. Discuss the issue on the talk page rather than constantly reverting people and deleting content or next time i'll be templating your talk page for vandalism. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email

) 14:17, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:AfricaTanz. —Largo Plazo (talk) 19:35, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

I'll be keeping a very close eye on this. Thank you very much Largoplazo ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 19:52, 11 November 2013 (UTC)