User talk:Josvebot/Archive 2014

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Hi, and thanks for your work on the English Wikipedia.

I noticed an article you worked on. Just a short note to point out that we don’t normally link:

• dates
• years
• commonly known geographical terms (including well-known country-names), and
• common terms you’d look up in a dictionary (unless significantly technical).

(This even applies for infoboxes.)

Thanks and my best wishes.

Tony (talk) 09:52, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

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ovelinking in the article. Is there something I don't see, am I blind? Please tell me more what you think my bot did, so I can investigat further. (t) Josve05a (c

) 10:19, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

No problem. You're right. Tony (talk) 10:22, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

c.f. [1] - "ü" is identical to "ue", so this should have been a change to "ue", not to "u". (Same thing happened here - note that the subject himself uses "Goerl" as identical to "Görl".) Cheers :-) - David Gerard (talk) 13:03, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for notifying me. I'll look in to this. (Ping NicoV, Magioladitis, perhaps Bgwhite, do you know if this is a proble, what I should do, or if this is just something to be on the whitelist or something?) (t) Josve05a (c) 14:13, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

That's difficult, because different languages may have different rules for replacement of umlauts: in French, "ü" could be replaced by "u" in defaultsort, not by "ue". I don't know what are the rules for German language, or for English wikipedia. --NicoV ^{(Talk on frwiki)} 15:13, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

I know that in English (language, not Wikipedia) (and Swedish, when they used DEFULTSORT's) if something is written with a "ü" it would be replaced with a "u". But I don't know what to do when an article is about a German topic on English Wikipedia. (t) Josve05a (c) 15:19, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

In these examples, they're proper nouns, names (of a person and a record). The root trouble is that there isn't just one Latin alphabet :-) I can't think of an automatic way to solve this problem with any reliability ... - David Gerard (talk) 17:08, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Very interesting reading about this and there is no correct way. Ü is also used in Estonian, Hungarian, Turkish and Chinese pinyin. Depending on what ruleset you are using, Ü can be changed to U, Y, or UE. To make matters worse, there are two German

DIN standards, one says U and the other says UE. I can't think of a good solution except treating all Ü as U. Bgwhite (talk

) 18:44, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

How often is this rule invoked, and how often for proper nouns in German? - David Gerard (talk) 20:16, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

OK, so I looked at how de:wp actually does this. I go to de:Robert Görl and I see ... {{SORTIERUNG:Gorl, Robert}} So it appears that I am completely wrong and Josvebot is doing something entirely acceptable. Sorry! - David Gerard (talk) 15:21, 5 March 2014 (UTC)