User talk:Khoikhoi/Dispute resolution

First let me apologise for engaging myself in reverting these pages back and forth. That's not the way things should be handled on Wikipedia. I guess I was getting a little frustrated at the apparent "Assyrification" of every subject related to the Suryoye/Suryāye/Surāye.

I do not deny the fact that there are many of these people who consider themselves Assyrians, my only intention is to try to correct the idea that every Suryoyo thinks that way and should be labelled as such. And, contrary to what some people say, I am not interested in spreading any kind of propaganda, all I want to do is contribute to presenting an image of a population group that has a history a little too complex to be categorised by putting up a ballot box. --Benne ['bɛnə] _(talk) 20:10, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I appreciate your willingness to cooperate. Let's see what Chaldean has to say. —Khoikhoi 23:09, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, lets go page by page

• Template:Syriac Christianity
  - Benne is trying to separate us here. "Chaldean" should definatly direct to Assyrian people. What argument is there here? Benne, are you going to declare we Chaldeans are not ethnically Assyrian either? The term "Syriacs" is disputed. Syriacs (Suraye) is also used by Assyrians and Chaldeans. It is misleading for the link to go straight to Syriac Orthodox. Now, I dont mind of he change the word to "Syriac Orthodox" because that would claer the confusion.

Nonsense. Again, you show not to properly read other people's comments nor check the history of a page before judging others. I haven't said anything about the Chaldeans, all I did was change the link from Chaldeans (which is a redirect) to Chaldean. And I didn't redirect anything to the Syriac Orthodox Church either.

• Syriac villages
  " is once again misleading. A Syriac settlement can also refer to Assyrian settlement (again Suraye.) Now, of course the village is pridomently Syriac Orthodox now, but that doesn't mean there are note Church of the East members in the village.

Well, if Syriacs refers to members of the Church of the East and of the Chaldean Catholic Church, why don't you rename the

List of Syriac settlements

? In the end, Assyrian refers primarily to people from the East Syrian tradition (more specifically to members of the Church of the East), it is not widely accepted as a name by West Syrians, and therefore not NPOV.

And I continually asked you to provide proof that there are actually East Syrians in the village, you still haven't come up with that. I recently asked someone who's from Iwardo, and he stated there are only West Syrians (Suryoye) in Iwardo.

• Chaldean/Assyrian/Syriac Villages
  - what is your argument here?

My argument is that you give the impression that all Syriacs are Assyrians, which is not true. At least, many of them do not consider themselves as such, and we should respect that, no matter how much you would like to believe they are.

• Syriacs
  - again, Suraye - Suraye is us too, Assyrians and Chaldeans. Now if you want to write a page that talks about Syriac Orthodox members, then go ahead, but you cant go with such a broad title like Syriacs AND the page can't look like as if Syriac Orthodox members is a ethnic group.

Once again, drop the term Assyrian when referring to Suryoye/Suryaye/Suraye. It is a politicised term.

In the

Syriacs

article, it was clearly stated that it reals with people from both the West and the East Syrian traditions, so I have no idea where you get the idea from that I'm only talking about the Syriac Orthodox. I never said anything like that.

• Keferze
  - Benne, in June, I will be traveling back home, God willing, I will take a picture of the Church of the East that is in Keferze, just for you!

Please do so.

Chaldean 02:20, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

--Benne ['bɛnə] _(talk) 12:36, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]