User talk:King of the North East/Archive5

Hi English Peasant, I'd like to address some perceived concerns. The reason I spoke out regarding Mario1987's ban is due to the fact that while he has not always observed policies nor always been accurate in his endeavors, he has shown a will to better the project and has sworn never again to abuse sock puppets, which is the actual reason he was banned. While my personal inclination was to deny this as being motivated by saying whatever is necessary to avoid a ban, I thought it necessary to assume good faith, as per Wikipedia policy. I assure you that I shall be watching him intently, and I've chatted with the unbanning admin regarding him, so if he slips up he'll be done forever.

When I say "return to productive editing." I was trying to be encouraging, and was only supporting the edits that comply with Wikipedia policy. While the user has behaved in a questionable manner in the past, I'd encourage you to give him the benefit of the doubt, at least until he messes up again, as it'll be his last time. Anyway, I hope this clears up some issues. Cheers! --Liempt (talk) 08:56, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, first of all thanks for working hard on south american footballers stubs, you're doing a great job (as usual!). As far as the Paraguayan statistics I'm afraid that

Sorry to bother but could you please tell me where can i report an user who keeps harassing me about football player articles i've created because he keeps telling me that the articles are misleading, innacurate and other things like that. He sent me many messages and i left a message back to him to erase them all if he is not satisfied, he added PROD tags to many articles and other users didn't agree with him but he dosen't give up. Recently i found this message on a talk page.

I know that my past actions were regretable but this user is just incredible. I hope you can help me. Regards

If you want i can provide many more links to talk pages where the user keeps attacking me.

1987 18:37, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply

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Hi Mario. While you have a couple options at your disposal for dealing with repeated abuse, I'd like to suggest a few things first. While a personal attack is a very serious matter, I think it's important to note that

peasant

has the best interest of the project at heart, and is simply trying to stay within the guidelines for notability and factual accuracy. While it could be argued that he does so with too much fervor, I believe there are alternatives to reporting him at this stage. One of his major issues was factual accuracy; What I would do in this circumstance is, instead of treating it as an attack against me, treat it as constructive criticism. If I were sure that my articles were factual, in spite of his claim to the contrary, the logical thing to do is reference them! I think in this manner you two could possibly play off each other to build up a strong stream of well referenced articles.

Good luck! I hope you two can resolve your dispute peacefully and work together to build strong football articles, something you both obviously want to do!--Liempt (talk) 20:36, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I hope he takes my suggestions to heart. Good luck!--Liempt (talk) 20:42, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I've created this article about former FC Nantes player and coach Ángel Marcos, who was quite successful in France. But I'm not sure of his Argentine clubs/years played/apperances and goals. Could you have a look at the article and correct it if needed, as you seems to love Argentine football.(I understand, many great Argentine players came to France...)Thanks!--Latouffedisco (talk) 18:08, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi!Thanks for improving the article about Angel Marcos! I noticed that it was very hard to find datas about Argentine players, that's a shame, however you can ask me datas for any Argentine player stats in France. No problem, I will ask you to help me when needed, I have some players in my sight...Keep up the good work!--Latouffedisco (talk) 17:00, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I'll follow your advice from now on. Do you happen to be an admin? Because I need help in removing the second names in

well, there was a good link in the spanish version of the article, http://www.rsssf.com/tablese/estgim.html

I'll try to find some others good links with statistics.

Bye --

Hello again. I just found this site a day ago, so I was hoping it would give a reliable source for appearances and goals in a few leagues that are difficult to find (e.g., Argentina, Greece and Portugal). It appears that the site only has tracked the past few seasons and some of the data is slightly different than other sources (e.g., ESPNsoccernet). That said, I think most of the data is accurate and it gives me a chance to find data on some players which I could not otherwise. Thank you for the note and best regards. Jogurney (talk) 19:26, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you know something about colombian football, you must know that the names Atlético Junior and Independiente Santa Fe are absolutely false and wrong, because it was the old names of current Corporación Deportiva Popular Junior and Santa Fe Corporación Deportiva.

You can see it at http://www.dimayor.com.co/club_junior.htm and http://www.dimayor.com.co/club_santafe.htm

Thanks.

--Kok13 (talk) 03:45, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you examine your articles on Argentine football players you see words like 'impressive' , 'legend' and 'extraordinary' so to remove any words about Asprilla, clearly an outstanding player is ridiculous. As for the comment on Redondo it was linked to an article (i.e - sourced) so clearly its not only my point of view that he was exceptional. In fact he is one of the best Argentine players of the past 20 years in my view. So basically its pathetic, if you are going to be accusing of no NPOV then first look at your own articles. --JB 16.14pm 13/04/08

Accusing people of Hypocricy isn't going to help if you can't point me to a particular edit of mine stating anything like "greatest ever", "excellent", "brilliant skills" etc. Even though many of the players I write about are in my opinion legendary and excellent, I try to write about them in terms of facts and achievements, not my own point of view. I am not responsible for how other people edit the articles I create afterwards, If I see anyone adding superlatives or speculation I always remove it. This project is meant to be an encyclopaedia, not a sports magazine.

peasant 12:43, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply

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Instead, in order to meet

Wikipedia:NC#Sports_teams, the articles can be named Santa Fe C.D. or Santa Fe CD and the other as Junior de Barranquilla, not Independiente Santa Fe or Atlético Junior because it was the former names of the clubs. ¿Or you name New York Red Bulls as Metrostars or Torino F.C. as Torino Calcio? It's the same mistake. --Kok13 (talk) 03:50, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply

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Please do not make perssonal argues in this discussion, I understand the Wikipedia Politics and also I know that the names Atlético Junior and Independiente Santa Fe are false and wrong, no matters what google says. Wikipedia coud have a sue about this... --Kok13 (talk) 17:22, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It appears that the club has a new website at www.santafecd.net, but I agree that the English media (and www.conmebol.com) have not changed their identification of the club. Perhaps we should go with the name

Thank you for the helpful note. I usually try to populate the categories I start, but often get distracted and move on to something else (a bad habit, I know). As you say, populating the categories is a good way to find articles that need help, and I'll try to do a better job of populating any new ones before I forget about them (like I did with San Luis footballers). I've never used the ____ international footballers categories before, but I see they are useful and will add them to the relevant articles. Best regards. Jogurney (talk) 16:33, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the heads up. пﮟოьεԻ 57 21:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I don';t know if your interest spans other countries in south america, but some of the biggest football stars in Venezuela are still red linked. Would you be interested in adding a few stubs,

No, its fine - hitting the delete button on various crap can be very therapeutic :) Plus, from what I've seen, I think you'd make a great admin. пﮟოьεԻ 57 19:40, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Great work on taking the initiative. Selecciones de la Vida (talk) 18:17, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The guy never played for Treviso, he does not play in Italy any longer. And I really failed to find out more about him, it seems like there's no track of him since he left Treviso this summer. Personally I think the subject fails

Well, then let's have a try with

WP:PROD (that's what I did just now). --Angelo (talk) 20:21, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply

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Thanks for creating a perfect start for this article. Sorry, I didn't mean to force you to create it. I have added some stuffs to the article by the way. Again, best regards--Latouffedisco (talk) 07:37, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for providing a third party opinion on the

Hi! I have to thank you for this comment you posted in the Mick´s page [2]. I know I have entered the english wikipedia with the "left foot", but belive me, I´m not a bad user. I only try to finish with lies invented by several supporters that are no neutral. If you see the spirit of my contributions, thay are all against the subjetive point of view of many users... I´am neutral, and I was trated badly by many users on their comments. Thank you again for being tolerant. I´m not an english professor, but I can defend myself with this language. At least, I think so...

Your regards, --Ultracanalla (talk) 01:49, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Replied on my page. But I would note, unless 'neutral', 'lies' and 'invented' have different meanings in Spanish as they do in English, I don't see much hope here. MickMacNee (talk) 02:06, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please, Mick, we must stop with this useless discussion. I prommise i will treat with more respect everybody and I want you to do the same with me, please. I sincerely apologize if I offended you. I´m not a bad user and I only try to help in the football articles. We start again at 0? We all have to give the other cheek!

See you --Ultracanalla (talk) 02:12, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I´m not a praticant Christian and I´m not atheist... I only try to express a sensation, but with a touch of sense of hummor. I tried to say that the discussion we had with Mick was not so tremendous to attack each other as we were doing... We should start at 0, and write a new page in this encyclopedia. --Ultracanalla (talk) 03:12, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Of course I will update that information in each player, I'm sorry I didn't knew about that, thanks for the information! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bupasival (talk • contribs) 16:25, 1 May 2008 (UTC) Thanks again for the information, I think I've made the signature in the preferences. Thanks for the help, is difficult to learn everything about wikipedia, but people like you make it much easier! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bupasival (talk • contribs) 21:47, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again, when I edit the stats of a football player, you told me I had to edit pc update too, but do I have to edit ntupdate too? Thanks again for your help! bupasival (talk) 12:39, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please, I created this article today http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Chic and they want to delete it, and I don't know why... bupasival (talk) 14:07, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Admittedly, I have little knowledge on how youth team football works in South America, but The PFA Premier and Football League Players Records 1946-2005 states "ArYth/Aru21" for his international info. Mattythewhite (talk) 12:21, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The best source for Romanian players statistics is by far http://romaniasoccer.uv.ro/ under the Players section. And yes, i do search for more sources when i create football player articles, because i know what i've done with these articles is not a good thing. I will also try to add more sources and update the player profiles i created, because i realised some time ago that you were only trying to help me. Sorry for all the work i made you spend on these articles and i promise i will try to update and check all of them. Cheers!!

Hi, and sorry for the late response. In my opinion, your proposal has both pros and cons. The main advantage, as you already noted, is the simplification of the roster editing process. On the other hand, every single football club article should have a corresponding squad template, which is a thing I do not support at all (especially for minor league teams). Virtue is in the middle, as we say in Italy, so a possible solution is to add this support only for major clubs. This is my opinion. --Angelo (talk) 14:42, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't no image better than the one in the Ismael Sosa's article? (as a photographer I cringed when I saw it) -- Alexf⁴² 11:52, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you that the Centenario Cup is a different competition, however the title of the section doesn't say "League Titles", it mentions official competitions by AFA in the Professional Era. Either we change the title, or we recognize whatever the AFA considers official. I see no reason to be more "papist than the Pope." Let me know what you think.Nordisk varg (talk) 18:38, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again. I just checked how this page appears in the Spanish Wikipedia. Official championships in the Professional Era are properly categorized; the Centennial Cup appears in its own category, together with two other official AFA cups. All these three are listed in the AFA website among the list of "Argentine Champions of the Professional Era." I suggest we could do the same here in the English Wikipedia.Nordisk varg (talk) 19:01, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I must say I disagree. We are talking of here of "Argentine First Division champions", so things like Copa Lipton etc are irrelevant because these were international competitions between countries. I think the criterion is simple: the AFA has a section entitled "Argentine First Division Champions." In it, in addition to the League titles, it quotes only three other cups of equal importance, one of them being the Centennial Cup. There's no different section or other cups like the ones you mention. All I'm saying is: 1) either to reproduce the official AFA criterion for what constitutes an "Argentine First Division Champion", or 2) Include a brief link to the proper section for these very unique three Argentine cups, as it is done in the Spanish Wikipedia site. It's not too much to ask.Nordisk varg (talk) 03:32, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Misquoting and arguing the point that is not being disputed is just distracting, not a replacement for good argument. Your sweeping comment regarding the Copas Lipton etc in your "response" to me is out of place, and clearly is not what I said. Let me try again: the point is very simple. The section we are arguing about is called "Argentine First Division Champions", not "Argentine First Division League Champions." If you add "league", then there's no argument since Gimnasia LP has not won one. However, since the concept of "league" is used in Europe, not in Argentina, the AFA accordingly labels the category as "First Division Champions" plainly. Gimnasia LP is one of those, and that's why it appears in the official list. I just want this article to agree with the AFA information, as it is the case of the one in the Spanish Wikipedia. Otherwise, state that the list in the English version refers to "league titles only." It's that simple.Nordisk varg (talk)04:50, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We finally agree on something: we are wasting each other's time. Someone made the change I requested to the proper heading of

Primera Division Argentina, so this aspect is addressed for the moment to my satisfaction. Still, though the article gives accurate information, it remains incomplete (thus inexact), as anyone checking the AFA site can tell. Hopefully, this will also be corrected soon. Do not assign a "misleading" intention to my corrections; they were an honest entry that was appropriate (to my view) with the heading of the table at the time. After all, none of us should claim to know more about Argentine football statistics than the fellows at AFA, shouldn't we?Nordisk varg (talk) 04:32, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply

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I've created an article about Víctor Trossero. I was wondering if he was related to Enzo Trossero, because they played together at FC Nantes. I have no idea about that, so your help is welcome. Regards.--Latouffedisco (talk) 11:04, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It would be surprising if they were brothers: they were born the same year (1953) with only 5 months between their dates of birth. Maybe they were cousins? Again, regards, and thanks for your investigations.--Latouffedisco (talk) 08:22, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I was just wondering why the succession box I created for Argentine captains was removed?

Thanks, Sparrowgoose 16:31, 30 May 2008 (HKT)

The basics of your question are dealt with in

Thanks for your advice, and I've included the relevant information in the article. Maybe you can take a look and see anything wrong or could be improved. Anyway, thanks for your kind help in creating and developing this article. Salt (talk) 04:16, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oops! Sorry about missing that. I'll make sure to not do that in the future. Captain panda 02:49, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. There will be a problem here if only a few people will participate. Anyone then can object to the accepted guidelines. Just look how many people voted on recent TFD and how many vote now. I propose some colour bar added to the top of the project talk page and/or the main page there announcing there is a vote about it to attract people to come a help reach a clear consensus. - Darwinek (talk) 13:32, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Even better idea. Feel free to create such a section on the main project page. - Darwinek (talk) 13:45, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, looks great. Hope it will attract more users. - Darwinek (talk) 14:23, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You're right and thanks for noticing it. Fortunately the histories have been merged since [3], so my mistake is behind us. Also when I did this redirect, I merged the two articles together and I kept the datas from the "old artcle". Best regards.--Latouffedisco (talk) 09:51, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You are welcome and fortunately I'm OK with people pointing my own mistakes. Thanks again, regards.--Latouffedisco (talk) 08:23, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I saw you removed CONEMBOL from the Brazil template for Copa America, and I saw your edit explanation. So I thought I would give my resoning here. All national football templates currently have been using the conferderation in the template title. It is the FIFA World Cup and the UEFA Euro 2008. Adding CONEMBOL is simply following the naming convention. Why is this a bad thing and in need of removal this especially helps when these appear on US or Mexican pages who may also appear in CONCACAF tournaments, not everyone is aware of which tournamnet belongs to which confederation. Please reply here I am monitoring this page Paul  Bradbury 21:53, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I just find it very distracting, its quite hard to dig out what the template is actually about on the when Copa América is buried between Brazil squad - CONEMBOL and 2007 Winners (8th Title). I thought the reason European Cup was preceded by UEFA is that there are a number of other

P 22:23, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply

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Fair enough, I still think I prefer consistency but given there is no consistency in naming convention at the moment anyway and that I buy your second argument, I am willing to bow to your way of doing it. May be worth raising at

WP:FOOTY at some point. Paul  Bradbury 22:36, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply

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Also, you may find this flattering. DS (talk) 00:54, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, but what about the coaches? I€₣ ^(talk) 23:01, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Croatian-Australian_Socceroos has come up for deletion at CfD. As this category was created as a result of this AfD, which you participated in, I thought you might have an opinion on this debate as well. This is a blanket notice that is being sent out to everyone who participated in that AfD. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 03:23, 13 July 2008 (UTC).[reply]

Since the nom was amended by an editor other than myself, I have removed the RSSF nom. If you would, please revisit the revised nomination. DarkAudit (talk) 22:44, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WTF? how did you come up with that name Junior Barranquilla? should we call REAL MADRID... ROYAL MADRID?????????????? pleasse push for a revert!!! don't come up with that made up bullshit name!

Atlético Junior is the common name!!! no one calls it Junior Barranquilla... maybe Junior de Barranquilla, but never something such name OMG.. that was just product of pure ignorance.. Cheers --76.19.149.244 (talk) 01:36, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

THAT WEBSITE HAS A TYPOOOOOOOO!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.19.149.244 (talk) 01:42, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Look, I was quite happy with the article being called

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FYI Junior Barranquilla Oficial website

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Wouldn't it be nice to see this in English!!

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Please

I fail to see how pointing out mistakes is assuming bad faith, I did not accuse Enigmaman of bad faith, merely pointed out the minor mistakes they had made. I also reject your assertion that I was aggressive, terse perhaps, but I assumed from the length of their talkpage and the barnstar about 2 posts above my own that I was speaking to an established editor, who should be able to handle another editor pointing out their (minor) mistakes as I certainly would. Perhaps I should have told them how much I appreciate their effort to improve Wikipedia coverage of Argentine football before pointing out their mistakes, I shall apologise forthwith.

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Hey thanks. That would've been simply sweet. Cheers mate :-)

Scarian^{Call me Pat!} 21:05, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply

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Don't be fooled by the number! Most are Rollbacks and minimum editions. That really doesn't take much time. I decided I could spend 1 or 2 hours a day again after almost 2 years pause; at least while I don't have that much extra work. See you 'round! Mariano(t/c) 09:50, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]