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I just noticed that you edited an archived page. That's not allowed, unless it's some type of archive page maintenance. I'm sure this was accidental, so just keep up the good work in other areas. --
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recent post about footnotes
Looked like the right page to me. I was going to reply and it vanished!
Terrorist
Responding here. I know you haven't. He once again has said he won't edit the article anymore after I pointed out on his talk page that 1RR is not a right and he is editing against consensus. I don't think he's happy.
- "Cut my head off is slang". To see it as racist shows a lack of good faith. And of course " Your two-faced underhanded statement(s) about me are racist" is a personal attack. There are times however when good faith doesn't have to be extended - and if an editor continually fails to show good faith towards other editors, that editor may not merit good faith being extended to them. But you have shown nothing but good faith towards other editors. talk) 10:15, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
- All a bit strange, when I don't even know what nationality he is! --talk)
- All a bit strange, when I don't even know what nationality he is! --
- I agree with your comment. Some people are best ignored. You might want to read talk) 10:47, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
- I agree with your comment. Some people are best ignored. You might want to read
I think the problem started with the word "terrorist" in the lead being too strong and flouting WP:NPOV. Although the organization is considered terrorist, we don't use it as an adjective. Supersaiyen312 (talk) 13:55, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
- @talk) 14:16, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
- @talk) 14:23, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
Referred to you
but not by name at
Removing an edit you made from someone else's talk page
I think that's ok, especially when no one has replied, but raised it at
- Thanks for your response. It's all there in the history of course, so any other Admin or in fact any editor can see it. I noticed what he reverted. Doesn't matter. talk) 15:11, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Done!
- 0) --Damián A. Fernández Beanato (talk) 08:35, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
Technophant
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- No proxy behavior, just personal emails and Technophant is unblocked now. --P123ct1
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Thank you for taking the time to defend your friends. You seem like a kind person and you deserve recognition. (I've been following the Technophant case.)
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Our friend
Given his edit summary calling you a stalker, shall I take him to ANI? I wouldn't want to do this if you'd prefer me not to or don't intend to participate if I do.
Name
I'll start an RfC shortly. Using 'the' would be very unusual, by the way, unless we can show that most reliable English language sources use it. All this translation or transliteration stuff is really irrelevant as we go by reliable English language sources, not our interpretations of the Arabic.
Islamic state article
Careful with your edits, I see Worldedixor has obviously broken 1RR. His post to the talk page is a bit odd, no?
- @talk) 12:12, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
- It is definitely a word we should only use with sources - like terrorists. Even if we agree it's correct. These bare urls are a pain, maybe notify any editor who adds one? talk) 13:18, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
- @talk) 13:39, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
- I'm baaaack! I've also added my support for merger of Yazidi persecution by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant for the time being. - Technophant (talk) 20:29, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
- I'm baaaack! I've also added my support for merger of
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- It is definitely a word we should only use with sources - like terrorists. Even if we agree it's correct. These bare urls are a pain, maybe notify any editor who adds one?
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Replied
Over to you now I think if you feel up to it.
Hi. Re. your edits to the article, such as [1] and [2], the
- I was aware of MoS, and changed "US" to "U.S." and "UK" to "U.K." only to be consistent with the many other mentions in the article. Have now reverted my edit and changed all other mentions in the article of "U.S." and "U.K." to "US" and "UK". --talk) 07:43, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
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IS or ISIS, 'terrorists'?
Dear colleague, I've just posed some mild criticism concerning a recent edit of yours, on:
- Note to self: answered on Talk page. --talk) 17:47, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
- Lucky it was only mild criticism, given what he says to others. --talk) 13:56, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
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Mentioned you at
"If you need an edit done... "
P123ct1, I just noticed this offer on Worldedixor's page. It's completely inappropriate. Please don't game the 1RR restriction or attempt to trade "1RR allowances". Bishonen | talk 12:40, 29 August 2014 (UTC).
- Replied saying had already resolved this with the admin and that it was an offer genuinely made without thought of the implications.
You are being mentioned again
Worldelixor has brought his complaint against you and I collaborating to
- You mean possibly collaborating! There has been none! --talk) 01:37, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
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I can't believe it, you have 4,620 "Live edits" and 0 "Deleted edits". That has to be a record!! ~Technophant (talk) 13:08, 2 September 2014 (UTC) |
Thanks! Remember nearly all of them are only copy-edits and some very tiny, and that an awful lot of them were repairs/corrections of footnotes! I imagine copy-editors clock up more edits than "contributing" editors by the nature of their work: small adjustments here and there to get an article into decent shape for the reading public. It is humble work, by my, does Wikipedia need it; there are so many badly written articles I have been shocked by it. --
- Hurry up and make one more minor edit then you'll have 500. It only takes one user to ruin your record. ~Technophant (talk) 17:08, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
- Done --talk) 17:29, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
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For your kind explanation.ShulMaven (talk) 00:15, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
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Sources problems
That's what
Question on footnotes
I've checked all the links on
Thanks.
- Thanks for coming back on this. There is a quotation which has ISIL instead of ISIS according to the footnote. The quote in the text begins "ISIL is the strongest group in Northern Syria ..." which you can find with search button and compare with the quote in the citation. The other two text quotes that had ISIL were okay. The two footnotes that have ISIL instead of ISIS are numbers 82 and 105. I checked all the others that had ISIL in the title, but they were okay. You must have done a global change from ISIS to ISIL; it would account for why the footnotes and quotation were changed. It can be quite dangerous to do global changes, for just this sort of reason! Fortunately it didn't stop those footnotes from calling up okay, which surprised me, tbh. If you could just change those few instances back to ISIS, this will close the problem. Footnotes can sometimes be a great nuisance and are often more trouble than they are worth, in my opinion! I don't think you have done any yet, but when you compose a footnote, can you always do it using the WP cite templates, please, as bare URLs can go dead at any time. I left a note about it for editors in the Talk page here, but some will insist on leaving them as bare URLs. Very frustrating. I don't know how experienced you are with composing footnotes, but I have drawn up a template with some simple instructions which I could let you have if you like; I made one as the WP instructions are none too clear unless you can run the accompanying video. Cheers, talk) 09:31, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
- Hopefully that's all done now but let me know if there is anything else. I only really have experience with citations through the edit cite function so a link to a guide on footnotes could really help. Thanks for that. ✍♪13:34, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
- Hopefully that's all done now but let me know if there is anything else. I only really have experience with citations through the edit cite function so a link to a guide on footnotes could really help. Thanks for that.
I'll have a look, and in the meantime here is the boilerplate message, or whatever the right terminology is. If you know how to use the edit cite function, you probably won't need it, but it's useful to pass around to others. (You can see the code for it in the wikitext of this message - it ain't patented!)
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That's it. --
- All good. Deletion was as the hatnote at the top of my talk page and as per talk page history. Thanks again. ✍♪15:05, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
- talk) 16:12, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
- Not a problem. I just think its good practice to reply directly to comments, where possible in sequence and things like that. ✍♪16:18, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
- Not a problem. I just think its good practice to reply directly to comments, where possible in sequence and things like that.
- All good. Deletion was as the hatnote at the top of my talk page and as per talk page history. Thanks again.
Happy United Kingdom staying united day!
I'm not sure about your feelings about this, however this does seem to be a good thing for the economic and political stability of England. I want to show you a useful little website to fix text that's all uppercase or lowercase called http://convertcase.net/. It's very useful for fixing refs.~Technophant (talk) 16:51, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
- talk) 17:17, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
When facing a Barn Start
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Dedicated to the realistic and experienced editor who "wouldn't start from here" ✍♪ 14:26, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
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In respect for much the same reason. I looked for a perseverance barnstar but that was not to be. ✍♪ 14:26, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
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Translation
Greetings,
- 1. I see that I was pinged a few days ago. Are you still in need of assistance or has the time passed?
- 2. Have you considered starting an archive for your talk page?
All the best. MezzoMezzo (talk) 11:46, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
- talk) 12:00, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
- Hello, WP:RSN here- you only need read the first three paragraphs to put you in the picture.
- Hello,
- You will see that citation is in the list we provided for the RSN and that part of it was translated there for the RSN by an editor on the team, Worldedixor, an Arabic-speaker, but clearly his translation will need corroboration. What does it say, please?
- Later: Something very curious has happened. I have just called up that citation and miraculously it now has an English Google translation! It did not have one before, hence our problem. Perhaps you would check that the translation there is accurate, please. We may need to quote the translation in the footnote, so if you could put it into good English, that would be appreciated. (Google translations from the Arabic can be a bit hit and miss as we have discovered.) By the way, Daash is another name for the Islamic State/Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS/ISIL), the terrorist group in question. There is no pressure to have the translation back quickly, by the way.
- Later: Something very curious has happened. I have just called up that citation and miraculously it now has an English Google translation! It did not have one before, hence our problem. Perhaps you would check that the translation there is accurate, please. We may need to quote the translation in the footnote, so if you could put it into good English, that would be appreciated. (Google translations from the Arabic can be a bit hit and miss as we have discovered.) By the way, Daash is another name for the Islamic State/Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS/ISIL), the terrorist group in question. There is no pressure to have the translation back quickly, by the way.
- Regards, talk) 16:01, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
- Regards,
- PS In case you are curious, I found your name via the WP:HD here.
- PS In case you are curious, I found your name via the
- Well, that's certainly a welcome coincidence. I'm about to step out in a few minutes, but in the coming days I will attempt to review the translation. The main issue with Google Translate is that it can translate words but not syntax, so sometimes the sentence structures get funny between English and Arabic. I'll try to throw in my two cents soon. MezzoMezzo (talk) 06:43, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
Evening star
Broken refs
There's a bot that will automatically search past revisions for broken references. I think it scans once a day. Finding broken refs is labor intensive, so if you know the ref is in the past then you can just let it be and it will be fixed within 24 hours.~Technophant (talk) 07:29, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
- @talk) 08:11, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
- I would need to figure out which bot and take a look at the talk page. I probably limits it search to less than the last 100 revisions due to computational limitations.~Technophant (talk) 08:23, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
- I'm up too late and need to go to bed. For you it's Sat morning. Its nice to be able to work on the article on not have edit conflicts or reverts while you edit. I expect there may be some attempted reversions in the morning when the north americans wake up see what's happened to the article. I've already been "thanked" by User:Gregaye for moving the infoboxes. I suspect sombody may throw a hissyfit but cie la vie...~Technophant (talk) 08:36, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
- I would need to figure out which bot and take a look at the talk page. I probably limits it search to less than the last 100 revisions due to computational limitations.~Technophant (talk) 08:23, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
Using The in ISIL
You reverted my changes here. Can you please help me understand why this is better or more clear? I don't see it that way.~Technophant (talk) 20:50, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
- @talk) 21:19, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
Why
When a discussion continued in relation to the use of the term "jihadist" in the
- Greg, I put that note in as there were parallel discussions on "jihadist" going on in both threads! 0) I was going to suggest replacing it with a note similar to the one you put in, but you beat me to it. :) --talk) 13:31, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
- The question why becomes when - don't bother, really, don't bother. You know that I am in a situation that may result in my losing editing rights and I would appreciate it if people did not, intentionally or not, rig the context of the debate against me. There are two ways that you directions with which you could have begun your redirects. You made your choice. Please respect the note at the top of my talk page. :( ✍♪13:45, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
- Sincerely, I was trying to help, but made a mess of it. Don't know if you saw my general comment at the end of the Talk page thread here. It was a proposed solution meant to help all editors. I don't want anything heavy or a situation to develop where you might lose rights. --talk) 14:09, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
- Unless you want to join the band wagon of the incoherent and dangerous misuse of jihadist terminologies or have content to add then it may be as well to step away and let things take their natural progression. Raising and re-raising the same issue without purpose does not help. ✍♪15:19, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
- I have tried to show good faith, but it isn't working, is it? If you still can't understand why I keep raising the point like a parrot, I think it's quite serious, for you. It goes right to the heart of what WP is about, neutral reporting. The impartial way to deal with the Muslim scholars criticism, which rightly belongs in the Lead, as the Lead is meant to cover major criticisms, is to add it in with the other neutrally stated criticisms in the last Lead para. That was the next thing I was going to do when I saw someone had removed it completely. Btw, your sentence in the Lead about Amnesty and ethnic cleansing I took up yesterday and expanded on considerably in the "Human rights abuses" section. No-one had thought to do that before. So please don't imply that I am being unconstructive. --talk) 16:19, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
- I am not personally likely to lose my life to a radicalised Muslim so no, in comparison, there is nothing greatly serious in this for me. In the current case we have an organisation that has lept paces forward in regard to extremist behaviour to the effect that even some of the most highly radicalised Muslims are disowning them. I fail to see how it is in anyway neutral to credit them as jihadist. Core aspects of their faithfulness are called into question. Wikipedia has a policy to assess the notability of a subject in that it asks for verification from secondary sources. As a result, primary sources may sometimes be considered with little regard. Sure we can go ahead against, Islamic and governmental preferences and declare them as the sole Islamic State striving for righteousness in their holy war. Sure that will be neutral. The song It ain't necessarily so can also be true of the self-serving spins of the press. ✍♪19:40, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
- I am not personally likely to lose my life to a radicalised Muslim so no, in comparison, there is nothing greatly serious in this for me. In the current case we have an organisation that has lept paces forward in regard to extremist behaviour to the effect that even some of the most highly radicalised Muslims are disowning them. I fail to see how it is in anyway neutral to credit them as jihadist. Core aspects of their faithfulness are called into question. Wikipedia has a policy to assess the notability of a subject in that it asks for verification from secondary sources. As a result, primary sources may sometimes be considered with little regard. Sure we can go ahead against, Islamic and governmental preferences and declare them as the sole Islamic State striving for righteousness in their holy war. Sure that will be neutral. The song It ain't necessarily so can also be true of the self-serving spins of the press.
- I have tried to show good faith, but it isn't working, is it? If you still can't understand why I keep raising the point like a parrot, I think it's quite serious, for you. It goes right to the heart of what WP is about, neutral reporting. The impartial way to deal with the Muslim scholars criticism, which rightly belongs in the Lead, as the Lead is meant to cover major criticisms, is to add it in with the other neutrally stated criticisms in the last Lead para. That was the next thing I was going to do when I saw someone had removed it completely. Btw, your sentence in the Lead about Amnesty and ethnic cleansing I took up yesterday and expanded on considerably in the "Human rights abuses" section. No-one had thought to do that before. So please don't imply that I am being unconstructive. --
- Unless you want to join the band wagon of the incoherent and dangerous misuse of jihadist terminologies or have content to add then it may be as well to step away and let things take their natural progression. Raising and re-raising the same issue without purpose does not help.
- Sincerely, I was trying to help, but made a mess of it. Don't know if you saw my general comment at the end of the Talk page thread here. It was a proposed solution meant to help all editors. I don't want anything heavy or a situation to develop where you might lose rights. --
- The question why becomes when - don't bother, really, don't bother. You know that I am in a situation that may result in my losing editing rights and I would appreciate it if people did not, intentionally or not, rig the context of the debate against me. There are two ways that you directions with which you could have begun your redirects. You made your choice. Please respect the note at the top of my talk page. :(
Pardon me for my ignorance but what does NB on the talk page stand for? Also, since this issue is now raised on ANI it is best to discuss it there. ~Technophant (talk) 18:17, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
- @talk) 18:45, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
- Gregkaye's disruptive editing and battleground attitude is being discussed at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Disruptive editing on ISIL by User:Gregkaye. If there's any comments you want to be publically discussed please put them there. Also, I need your help with supporting evidence and recommended action. Perhaps "only put edit requests on talk page" for a length of time is the best solution. This issue has really tired me out. I've spent all morning dealing with it. Disruptions need to stop. ~Technophant (talk) 18:58, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
- Also nota bene says "Often abbreviated as "N.B.", "N.b." or "n.b."" I would suggest wikilinking to that page if you wish to use it in the future. I don't know how common this term is, this is the first time I've run across it. Just saying "Please note" is simpler but may not have the same imperative connotation.~Technophant (talk) 19:02, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
- @talk) 19:17, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
- I thought about starting a new thread at the bottom of the ISIL talk page. This is acceptable, however I put the link in the two sections where the discussion is on going (and going and going) instead. Feel free to announce in a new section so all editors will notice it.~Technophant (talk) 19:27, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
- @
- Also nota bene says "Often abbreviated as "N.B.", "N.b." or "n.b."" I would suggest wikilinking to that page if you wish to use it in the future. I don't know how common this term is, this is the first time I've run across it. Just saying "Please note" is simpler but may not have the same imperative connotation.~Technophant (talk) 19:02, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
You put Oppose on the ANI. Do you realize that means that oppose any action against Greg? Is that what you meant? ~Technophant (talk) 01:27, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
- talk) 05:17, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
- I understand. Greg won't back down from his position (which is his right) so this dispute must be resolved by Dispute Resolution. Talk page discussion has failed to gain consensus. I'm really tired too. Going to bed now. I've spent the last 16 hours working on this!~Technophant (talk) 07:14, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
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Thanks for the issues that you raised at the AN/I about "(a) who left this comment? (b) did they read the discussion? It concerned removal of the word "jihadist", not "jihad". Big difference." I am planning to raise the issue, re the previous entry, that my proposals were never for the actual removal of the wording but that we should find a way for it to be qualified. However I don't unnecessarily want to contradict you and thought you might prefer a review first. Cheers. ✍♪ 11:19, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
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