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who is user Novangelis and why is he/she getting personal when all I wanted was to edit a small section of an article to make it show the right info?
Please read the thread below, user Novangelis has questioned my edit in the 'hypopituitarism' article. All I did was to add Natural Desiccated Thyroid Hormones and Liothyronine to the treatment listed for hypothyroidism. I did NOT take out levothyroxine, I did NOT mention whether one is better or more indicated than another! I did NOT state any 'personal' points of view AT ALL, yet this 'Novangelis' asks me to provide 'proof/references' that NDT and liothyronine is treatment provided for hypothyroidism, why? the original author did not have to provide ANY reference/proof that levothyroxine is the only treatment (and it is not the only treatment). I provided some links and then he gives me the reply below that I used 'meaningless' references and then goes onto say I do not agree with the treatment 'advocated' by 'reputable organisations'. How does Novangelis know what I agree or disagree with? I NEVER stated anywhere what I disagree/agree with, I merely asked for all 3 hypothyroidism treatments to be stated that is all, I never asked for anyone to write or say which one is best or should be given!!! These medications are available and used widely by many endocrinologists on this planet, so why hide them like they don't exist??? thank you
- Novangelis, like all of us, is a volunteer editor. There are a lot of policies etc to follow here, and they can be a bit daunting at first. Take a look at WP:MEDRS for starters and try to discuss your proposed additions on the talk page of the article. Thanks. Dbrodbeck (talk) 18:55, 6 September 2012 (UTC)]
thank you for your message re: hypopituatarism
Hi there, thank you for sending me a message to tell me I should reference any entry with reputable sources and also to tell me I was trying to edit a 'minor viewpoint' and giving it too much weight.
Unfortunately I disagree with the minor viewpoint and 'giving it too much weight'. There is more than one accepted treatment worldwide for hypothyroidism, the three main prescription treatments are: levothyroxine, natural desiccated thyroid hormones (NDT) and liothyronine (or a combination of levothyroxine, liothyronine or NDT and liothyronine or levothyroxine and NDT).
Whilst I understand that the article is about hypopituitarism and should not digress into other subjects as to 'keep to the point', it would be totally inaccurate to mention levothyroxine only as a form of treatment for hypothyroidism as many sufferers worldwide are treated and optimised with NDT and/or liothyronine either with levothyroxine or not. These people would continue to suffer for the rest of their lives and worsen if treated with levothyroxine only. These other 2 forms of treatment are equally important and must be mentioned. Saying that hypothyroidism is treated with levothyroxine and not mentioning the other 2 medications is giving out wrong information.
Also I would like to ask: why was I prompted to give references for NDT and liothyronine yet there had to be no reference for 'levothyroxine'? how is that right?
Many thanks for patiently taking the above in consideration
Paleohack
ps if I need to provide references in this message please let me know and I will, I am just sending a 'talk' message but I have provided some references on the hypopituitarism article, did not want to 'flood it' so have only put a few. Many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paleohack (talk • contribs) 17:06, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
- You didn't provide references, you provided meaningless links. Something someone said on the internet is not a source. "Thyroid Science" is not a your opinions.Novangelis (talk) 17:37, 6 September 2012 (UTC)]
Dear Novangelis is these below 'enough' references for you? Now please can you take my above comments more seriously? we are not here to argue what treatment an hypothyroid patient is supposed to be put on, I was 'merely' explaining why I edited the hypopituitarism article so that it was showing a more accurate picture for hypothyroid sufferers (whether they are 'thyroid-less', with or without cancer, Hashimotos etc) Please feel free to add these references to the hypopituitarism article. I did say I did not want to swamp it with references. Many thanks for your continued politeness and patience and I am sure you will be fair at the end.
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Thank you for this but I'll leave Wikipedia me thinks as user Novangelis as done a right down good job of being totally out of order and rude all the way through, he wanted references, I provided them, he deletes them and comments it's a 'load of crap' when there were REPUTABLE medical journals articles listed in there. If he thinks nothing is good buy what he thinks/likes I am not putting up with a dictatorship, I'm out, everyone else who stays here good luck. And happy day Novangelis, wish you all the best x --Paleohack (talk) 18:01, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
wow, I don't actually wish to be here anymore so well done Novangelis you get your biscuit
I don't believe the rudeness thrown my way, I am not here to offend anyone and certainly never intended too, but to be offended like this by a stranger.... you get what you want Novangelis I'm out and today is the best day of your life, but it's also mine as I realised how lucky I am in my life :) xx
not sure how you did this (see below I copied and pasted) but this appeared on my 'watchlist' (the 'eliminate massive load of crap' which was a list with many reputable references ie: British Medical Journal etc., then you commenting that levothyroxine 'is' the ONLY treatment):
(diff | hist) . . User talk:Paleohack; 17:47 . . (+121) . . Paleohack (talk | contribs) (→All you do is: )
(diff | hist) . . Talk:Hypopituitarism; 05:57 . . (+1,392) . . Novangelis (talk | contribs) (→why is levothyroxine the only treatment mentioned in this article for hypothyroidism?: because it is the only treatment -- epic WP:TRUTH fail)
(diff | hist) . . User talk:Novangelis; 04:55 . . (-47,341) . . Novangelis (talk | contribs) (→I never got personal Novangelis, why do you?: eliminate massive load of crap)