User talk:Ryan Vesey/Archive 17

Hey Ryan, here are my recommendations for the page, by section:

• Lede: The lede needs to be expanded on a little. Think of it as a blurb of information about what the entire article is about. Typically, if it is in the article itself, it doesn't need to be sourced in the lede.

• History: LOTS more needed. I would check with the town's historical society. They will be able to help with finding links for the information or even books. Books are excellent sources that most Wikipedians forget can be used. Most think it is just weblinks and no more, but books are big time sources.

• Geography and Climate: I would make "Climate" a section section of "Geography", other than that, I don't see any need for improvments here.

• Demographics: Make sure you have updated 2010 information. Alot of the information from the 2010 census is now out, just took 'em awhile. I would also put in some information on the ancestry of the people of Windom in this section, but not as a sub-section. You can see how I did it at Stephens City, Virginia#Demographics.

• Politics: I would rename this section "Government" and expand on it starting with the people on the city council (or whatever your town calls it), the mayor, fire and police chiefs, then post about the state officials and then folks in DC that represent Windom in the House and Senate.

• Transportation: I would expand on this section, but if you find there isn't enough information, you can always add a sentence or two within the "History" section about notable events.

• Economy: Check the Census Bureau website as they will have updated stats and figures on the economy and workforce of Windom.

• Media: I see no room for improvment on this section...and I'm not just saying that cause I made it. :)

• Education: I would bring the Middle and High Schools back into the main section (no need for a sub-section). Use the county school system website for sources.

• Entertainment: I would rename this "Culture" (per
  WP:USCITY
  ) and expand on it. I put the parks, sights, neat things to see in this section. The Drive-In just south of Stephens City was put in the "Culture" section.

• Notable Natives: I would rename this section "Notable Residents" and expand, just slightly, on who the people are. I gave them a sentence, plus a reference.

• External Links: Good amount of external links, not too many.

OK, now, here is what I think you should add to the page:

• Pictures: You have never have too many, but don't expect them all to be on the page. Try to take a slew of pictures of a nice, cloudless, Sunny day. July days are great for pictures, not great for people, but no clouds and sunny skies make from great pictures with no need for flash.

• References: You can never have too many, and you will be expected to use them all in some places. Google Books, just regular ol' books, newspaper websites, just plain ol' newspapers, and government sites are all sources that can be used and are sometimes forgotten.

• Religion: This is a great section because in some towns the churches have a bigger history than the town...and it is room to create another article and get a DYK in the process. You can see how I did it at Stephens City, Virginia#Religion. Don't forget to include all religions in this section from Christianity, to Judaism and beyond.

• Infobox: Try and fill everything on the infobox, go nuts. This is the first place a reader's eyes go to, especially if they just need quick information.

Good sources to use are the

Wow, Thanks so much for all of this! I didn't even know about

WP:USCITY. This is great! I've been meaning to get to my county's historical society all summer, except it is open from 9-4 and I work 8-5. Ryan Vesey Review me!

16:24, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Glad I could help. :) Might be time to fake a "cold" and take a trip down to the historical society...or just ask for the day off. :) Some places will let folks come in after hours or on the weekend by appointment if you call and ask. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 18:30, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

I already talked to the society. It's pretty bare, they've got a small library and a bunch of microfiche. I'll be done working in late August and then I'll have a week or so to make some copies before I go to school. I asked them about letting me scan images for free rather than making copies but they said no. Ryan Vesey Review me! 18:51, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Googled the historical society website and found this website from the Minnesota Digital Library. You can view the information the historical society has via that site it appears. I am guessing you checked the Cottonwood County Historical Society, they seem to have a large building from the picture. Also, try any number of these Google Books. They should help with the history of the town on different levels. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 19:08, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Also, check to see if Minnesota has a state library. In Virginia, it is called simply "The Library of Virginia" and is kinda like the Library of Congress, but just for Virginia. They have a ton of historical information, newspapers from all around the state, tons of books, all kinds of stuff. Each state has their own library like this (or at least I think they do), so give that a look-see as well.

Your town's public library should have an archives department, they will have tons of historical information as well in the form of newspapers, books, and the like. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 19:12, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your help with Bruce Goodwin.. would you consider creating other pages that deal with Ohio politicians? There are only a few that need created or recreated who are currently in office. All of those who are redlinked are in need of creation in these two templates. Thanks.

The ones in those templates are the current ones? If so I can do it, I'm currently working on Minnesota historical ones. I'll probably spread my time between the two. The Ohio information isn't as full as I would like so it doesn't make my job super easy so I'll probably make them as stubs. Ryan Vesey Review me! 21:51, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

FYI, you need to be very careful about relying on input for these articles since the IP is almost certainly a recurrence of a persistent banned user with an extensive history of copyvios among other problems. VernoWhitney (talk) 22:08, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, a checkuser might be necessary. In any case, every one of these subjects is notable and deserve at least a stub. Articles are more likely to be improved if they exist. (Wow that was a dumb way of wording it, but I hope you get my point). I suppose the difficulty will come in protecting the articles after they are created. Ryan Vesey Review me! 22:12, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Wow, just checked the block log. This certainly does appear to be the same person. In fact, edits by this user began 10 days after the unblock. Ryan Vesey Review me! 22:18, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Since this was brought up, please note that my edits would not be in violation of Wikipedia:Banning policy#Edits by and on behalf of banned editors since I can confirm that any articles I create will be verifiable and I have an independent reason to do so (as is evidenced by the articles I have already created on various state politicians). Ryan Vesey Review me! 22:20, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

I wasn't intending to imply that your creation of the articles would be inappropriate by any means. I just wanted to make sure you knew who was encouraging you to do it, and that any "help" they offer is more trouble than it's worth. VernoWhitney (talk) 17:05, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

I know, but since the situation arose I thought I'd clear it up. Ryan Vesey Review me! 13:52, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Any way that we can finish these before election day this year? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.234.62.130 (talk) 14:17, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

I should be able to, I won't be following the elections though. Ryan Vesey 14:22, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Can you please make an effort to get these remaining articles done in the next few days? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.90.248.93 (talk) 23:52, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

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I just noticed your present on my way here; thank you very much! Cheers! :) Like my singing? Ha-la-la-la-la-la-LA-LAAA!!! (talk) 23:19, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

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Congrats Ryan, you have become the second inductee into my Hall of Fame. I can honestly say that you have been a help to me during my time here. I'm not the only one you've assisted with things that they didn't know how to do. I'm very grateful that I've been able to work with you here and I am very happy to induct you as a member of my Hall of Fame. AutomaticStrikeout 01:18, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Wow, thank you very much! I feel honored.12:24, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

You are welcome. If you would like, you can display this

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Manual talkback Replied to your post on my talk.

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Hi, I noticed you removed the BLP prod on Miranda Borman saying it was not unreferenced. The BLP prod template says that all BLPs must have reliable sources - the article still doesn't have reliable sources. I'm a bit confused. Hack (talk) 05:06, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Self published sources are considered reliable sources on the subject. In the case of Miranda Borman, her official website is considered a reliable source; although, it does not help establish notability. In addition, it used this as a source for the fact that she participated in Student theatre. Remember, the only purpose of the BLP prod is to make sure we don't have completely false information. Ryan Vesey 12:22, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

I see you removed the {{

Hi Psychonaut, I'm happy to provide an explanation. I'll start out by explaining my belief that

Wikipedia:Don't bite the newcomers. Ryan Vesey

16:55, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. However, I disagree that the phrasing "editor whose editing is limited to one very narrow area" implies that the editor has made several edits. An account with a single edit is by definition limited to one area. Regarding the second quotation, I think you are disregarding a key phrase in it, which I reproduce here with emphasis: "A user who appears to have a very brief editing history, or an apparent focus on one (or at most a handful of) matters or purposes, creating a legitimate reason for users to assess whether their editing and comments appear neutral, reasonably free of promotion, advocacy or personal agendas, aware of project norms, not improper uses of an account, and aimed at building an encyclopedia." That is, the sentence doesn't say that SPA tags are for users which have already shown themselves to be non-neutral or ignorant of policy and procedure. Rather, it is saying that the mere fact that the user has a brief and topically restricted is itself a reason for more carefully scrutinizing their arguments. —Psychonaut (talk) 17:25, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

I suppose it depends on which way you look at it. The text says that being an SPA creates a legitimate reason to assume those things. I feel that also means that if there is no legitimate reason to assume those things the editor is not an SPA. If an account has only made one edit and it has been constructive, I don't feel that there is a legitimate reason to find anything wrong with the account and there is no reason to define the editor as an SPA. In addition, that would imply that every editor is a Single Purpose Account directly after their first edit, and probably after their first few edits, which is not true. The first few edits do not define an editor, instead, a pattern must emerge. That is the only way to determine if somebody is here for a single purpose. Ryan Vesey 17:31, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

I think it's important to consider the motivation behind the creation and usual use of this template, which is to flag contributions from new accounts whose sole purpose is to participate in a discussion about the application of our policies (such as an AfD). Typically this means that the account is a sockpuppet of someone participating in the discussion, or that the operator of the account was recruited by someone to support their point of view. In these cases the user usually participates in the one discussion but then never uses their account again. The {{SPA}} template is used to alert other editors, including the one closing the discussion, that the arguments from these accounts should be scrutinized for grounding in policy, and that the sheer number of them should not be taken as evidence of broad support by the community of informed and active editors. If we were to apply your criteria and refrain from tagging accounts simply because they have no edits at all outside the discussion, then the template could almost never be used for its usual purpose. In which case, what uses do you envisage for this template? —Psychonaut (talk) 19:43, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

I've never used the template; although, I've seen it used before. I don't think there are many situations where the template should be used. Good uses of this template include if someone only !votes delete at AfD's (or keep) and does nothing else. It could mark that user as having an agenda. Another would be if someone only creates or edits biographies of a certain region or topic. Their !votes are going to be skewed by the interest/purpose of their account. Ryan Vesey 20:40, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Hey Ryan. :D How was your Halloween? I had so much candy that my stomach hurt. You know, for that village pump thing you posted, maybe you could do like, an RfC or is that an RfC? Because I do think that people support that. Besides, I can sharpen my debate skills at the RfC. (Just kidding, I am on the debate team in real life though.) But I really really really badly want this to pass... it'll be my Wikipedia absolute dream come true. You're awesome for putting that out there... thank you. I really wanted this for Wikipedia, ever since I was six. Oh, I might be busy because of NaNoWriMo too. :)

Oh, question. What was with that emergency thing up there with Buster? I did see the adoption box on Deidra's page, and I thought, "Oooh-kay, then." But, uh, what happened? (And Buster, I'm sorry, but I found that post amusing. I just did. I'm sorry. XD) Red Hat On Head (talk) 20:59, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

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andley

21:02, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Oh, cool! What did you do? :D Red Hat On Head (talk) 18:46, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Got candy, ate it, got sick from it, ate more, mmm. And, well, that's pretty much it lol. Cheers!

andley

23:36, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

I didn't do anything on Halloween because I'm old and boring. Good luck writing your novel! As for the RfC, I'm trying to get an article written by the end of today. If I finish it early, I'll try to start discussion tonight. Ryan Vesey 21:18, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Ryan! Did you hand out candy though? And sure, take your time! :D Red Hat On Head (talk) 13:55, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

@ Red Hat. No Prob,. Amusing is good. I very much prefer amusing to Drama. The new user was still in diapers and wanted to adopt other newer users. And, wouldn't you know it, her diaper started to stink. I smelled it and tried to clean it up. Others got involved and she was adopted herself by a stern Mentor that gives test and grades results. All's well that ends well. BTW...My grandson is on his HS debate team. Went to USC for Debate instruction where they basically just worked on talking REEEEAAALY Fast. I Trick-or-Treated as Iago from Othello, if anyone is interested. No Candy,just slammed doors!. ```Buster Seven Talk 16:21, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Cool! I'm the person more to make rebuttals, and I'm always paired up with the more senior people... but they give me a chance. Sometimes it's annoying to take the back seat, but oh well. My favorite part of debate is when we pretend to be delegates at a UN meeting, and I always yell, "I'M GOING TO BE THE DELEGATE FROM INDIA, LIKE IT OR NOT." Always. I dressed up as an Indian princess, and there was so much candy I was stuffing my baskets under bushes and I had three baskets and a full pillowcase at the end of it. :D Red Hat On Head (talk) 18:46, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

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Thank you very much. As I pointed out below, I'm going to be off for a month or so. If you want, I'll leave the adoption page on my watchlist. I hope to get to your test tomorrow, I took a quick glance and before I check it, take a look at your A7's again. Remember that A7 only applies if there is no credible claim of significance and that significance is a much lower threshold than notability. Ryan Vesey 04:14, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Would you take a look at the top question at the Teahouse about tables. I've messed with it and even copied it into my sandbox, where it worked, and then copied it right back, when it didn't work. So I'm befuddled. Would you mess with it for a few minutes. Thanks--Go Phightins! 03:14, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

It appears to work for me, I'm not exactly sure what the problem is. On another note, soon I'll be archiving my talk page and blanking my watchlist for the next month. My real life stress level is very high and Wikipedia has become too much of a distraction. Ryan Vesey 04:12, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

All right, thanks. Take care of what you need to take care of. Something like this will probably occur for me as well eventually. Good luck. Go Phightins! 04:16, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

I can stalk your talk page while you're gone if you'd like. Go Phightins! 04:17, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

I noticed you tried to recover the MDC article. I have more links for you if you need some help. Someone Tweeted about him and he got arrested and a photo was taken. here is an article on it not sure if it is notable enough. Here is another article on it not sure if that is notable enough. There is a CBC episode where MDC talks in it not sure if you want to call it self-publishing as it is a CBC broadcast and recording. There is a VC article that cites him not sure if it meets requirements. A recruitment article that cites MDC not sure again if this meets requirements. A Youtube video where he is interviewed on CNN I am not sure if this meets requirements either as Rick Sanchez at CNN isn't notable enough for the Joe Stack article. I was able to find out MDC is in jail and the charges have not been listed yet. I have no idea of what happened, most likely his alleged Twitter tweets raised some eyebrows, or his New Years 2011 911 prank calls caught up to him. Please let me know if any of these links help out. If not, could you help Mike by sending him computer books or something to his jail cell. I already ordered him a stationary set so he can write to people. I'll let you know if I find any more links on him or update you on his legal status. I think he might be in jail because he was trying to drive attention to himself to become more notable after being rejected by Wikipedia, but I am not sure of that. Orion Blastar (talk) 04:33, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I'm not working on that anymore. I'm very busy with school and am unable to pick the project up. Ryan Vesey 14:16, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for letting me know. Ryan Vesey 03:36, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

No problem! He did the AFD now. Statυs (talk) 13:03, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Ryan, I just found my way to the

Thanks, and thanks for adding the portalbox. There was a mention of it in a reading for class and I thought I'd start it, I hope to get it over the character limit after my econ midterm so I can get it to DYK. On another note, you wouldn't happen to know anything about

Hulet Wells would you? Have a good one, Ryan Vesey

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