User talk:Shshshsh/Archive 16

Ah thanks!! Its strange but it doesn't feel like my birthday! The older we get the less you sort of think about it. I can't believe I'm 25!! Can you believe its May already? Its only seems a few weeks ago I wished you a happy new year!! I had a lovely Sunday lunch anyway. I spoilt it a bit by eating too many jelly babies though - like I did at Christmas lol

We'll to watch out for the

LOL heres some interesting stubs.

You can just tell that the fish market is extremely potent can't you. I know what Cardiff fish market is like -this one looks about 10 times the size and barely tolerable to the nose.

What next do you think? A Belizean trumpet player, or a Kiribatian knitting organization??

Well I had to start

There we are some more

Oh not many edits today. It is my birthday after all!! But I happen to enjoy editing wikipedia and eating toffee popcorn at the same time!

Everthing OK User:Shshshsh?

Well hopefully the day will come when nobody has to worry about the Zinta article any longer as it becomes a super FA and everybody can move on to other pastures. People haven't exactly made life easy in reagrds to it have they. Remember the turnout last time at the FA?

Have you asked him to respond? I really think its wrong that the outcome of an FA is decided by one person

Mmm I don't know. I know you said about her being a tom boy was very important in her earlier life but is it an essential sentence for the article?

Well they both mean exactly the same thing lol!!! . This is what I'm talking about when people say this article "is in need of a thorough copyedit" . Complete twaddle. Its fine as it is and has been for many months. There is certainly no worse a quality than in the Emma I'm Hermione Gtanger article. Well if people think differently they should try looking at 99% of the other articles on wikipedia . Well over half of these are utter rubbish. You should see some of the crap I've seen in some of the Mexican articles I've been shifting through

I've just looked at it and in places I have to admit parts have come full circle. Sentences I thought I had addressed before "e.g she was recognized for her role in ... in 2000 " in the intro . Recognized by whom? That is such a generalized statement I had removed this and sorted parts before and has now its gone back to what it was before. It has been over edited since I last looked at it and this has affected how the article flows in parts. I'll try to work on it tomorrow if there is no objection as I haven't touched it for months

As long as you haven't completed reverted my other edits which I believe are an improvement.

What is immensely frustrating is that somebody will oppose on the grounds that it has a few images when FA's like Diane Keaton have 4. Its just double standard and different views on "policy" that results in many FA's getting thrown out. Unfortunately FA candidacies attract negative people rather than positive people but what can ya do?

What? I was certain you said 20 minutes for a debut was very long before and they rarely get any time at all. Well either way the article does absolutely nothing to explain why this is unusual.

Well if it is customary for the camera to never leave their faces for two and half hours just because they are making their debut forgive me but there are still some awkward sentences in there that people outside the world of Bollywood may be confused by

I've added an important word "just" 20 minutes just to clear it up for the less intelligent of us around here.

Only then LOL LOL LOL.

Hehe. However "a mere 20 minutes of screentime". Just kidding lol only is fineatastic . Spiffing my young chap. Bottle of chardonay and quails eggs. Scoff scoff. Bottle of bubbly down at the paddock. Black Stallion!! Splendid.

The article is sticking to British english or not? In the UK we spell them as catalogues not catalogs.

Yes i have a strong english accent with a trace of a welsh accent. You know the actor

Hehe that 20 minute thing was funny last night!

I see that user dropped his oppose now. But because of Tony it will fail you think?

I don't care?? I doubt very much you mean this. Obviously you do otherwise you wouldn't have worked so hard at it. I agree I also think it is something to be proud of and said this even when they demoted it back to B.

A wikibreak? Where are you going?

The article hasn't changed much in the last few days except the changes you and I made. What made him change his mind?

Thats great news that the people who oppose are doing what they feel right. Fingers crossed

Yes I see, nominations were after but you removed the work I had done with rmeoving the colons and sorting grammar. I've addressed that now. I have to go now, Please don't go undoing everyting.

If I edit it closely and fully, really readin and working on all of it I really can't see how it could get turned out particularly if there are several other copy editors on the case. I think I'm as good a writer as anybody on the wiki. I've written several FA's before and my writing has generally been well praised. I know it can be done.

Not nice of me? Well think what you like of me. You know I would never change something out of spite. Using rollback wasn't intentional I've got into the habit of using it. I'm actually trying to help your FA here mate

Well at present it seems like editors have had a mixed reaction to it already. If you think I am wasting my time bothering to edit then I won't touch it, genuinely I'm trying to help out a friend and an article which is virtually there and wouldn't like to see it rejected and you disappointed after the hard work you've done. I really think it can be improved that bit more grammar wise and structually which is what the concerns seem to mostly be about now. Given that I have a great deal of work to do on here, I am trying to help you

I can see I made a few slight mistakes in trying to address it as most of the other copy editors have. If I was assured that it would pass FA trust me I wouldn't even touch it.

This is a problematic sentence. Not only are you using the same reference in just a few words but you are basically saying the same thing twice and the tone is far too gushing at the same time with all those claims in one sentence. Recognizing her versatility as an actress is exactly the same thing as critics attributing her portrayal of a wide range of characters. It just isn't right. There should be two claims -that critics recognized her versatility in playing a wide range of characters and that her roles were quite symbolic in that they contributed to a new perception of a Hindi film heroine.

The content other than this so far is OK so far but I still wonder why the positive comments are stacked highly in her favour with very few negative comments in there. Surely there must be negative reviews for many of the films? The times I read about her film and that she was "praised" for her performance and Taran said she was "wonderful and sexy" if I'm completely honest I think is too much. I would like to see some of these replaced with quotes that say more about her character and portrayal rather than saying that she was wonderful. I'm certain critics must have commented neutrally on her characters but if you exmine most of the quotes they keep saying that she looks great and is wonderful rather than how she addressed the roles etc.

The concern about over use of commas is a valid one, so I'll try to address that first

Quotes such as "Zinta, the most interesting young actress of her generation, is her usual lively self" for instance for me does nothing encyclopedically. For me the quote should contribute something encyclopedically too in addition to general response to the performances. Very few quotes do this

This sentence seems right to me:

"After the release of this film, critics recognized her versatility as an actress and attributed her roles in Kya Kehna, Sangharsh and Chori Chori Chupke Chupke as contributing to new perception of a Hindi film heroine".

Well you need to trust me. I haven't got time to sit around discussing each sentence. That sentence flows much better which the whole article should

OK, just ask him to read our discussion so he is more filled in

Yes I ahppen to agree with you on that one and also Taran is used far too much. However I would try to find some negative reviews in the Times of India or something for some of her other films to balance it out a bit. I'm really not getting the impression here you think much of my ideas

I'm amazed how closely you care about every tiny detail in this article. This FA really means so much to you doesn't it!! I love the quote "To be brave is not to be fearless. It is when you fear and you get over it, then you can be called brave. I am human. It is not that I fear nothing. But getting over a fear is a continuous process and I have been successful so far". Thats beautiful isn't it. The bottom sections look very much the same way as when I last edited it which is good to see. The article is very good overall I think

Yes that is such a wise old quote almost something like an ancient greek philosopher would say. The personal life section which was once the poorest now appears to be one of the strongest sections. Good catch on finding those quotes!

Yes I know. Just remember that I will always help you when you ask me, particularly as I also care for something that means a lot to you. Part of the reason why I haven't edited the article in months is because the situation can get quite stressful if each others edits are reverted and it can affect how we interact generally. I must have removed about 15 commas from the article now. I think it is much improved and aside from those minor issues I said about earlier I can't see why anybody would strongly oppose it. But who knows what people's idea of an FA is?

I'll leave it now and give it a full read again tonight. Just one thing though - what would you say about joining some of the paragraphs in the main film career section. E.g 2007 could all go in one paragraph. Do you think it is best to cover each year in one paragraph?

Just a though. How about finding an image of her on stage. We could use an image in that section of her. If you could find a free image I can crop it if necessary. Do you have one we could use from India FM?

Also how about finding a more beautiful screenshot from

I'll upload one or two possibilities and let me know what you think. Whatever is decided the others can be deleted. I'll do it now

OK heres the choice

I quite like the

I'll have a quick play around with images if thats OK. See some combinations and how they look

I think the article looks super now. I've replaced the main image. Don't panic it is a tidier crop. You're probably not happy with it but I think it looks nicer

I'll be visiting you in a old people's home soon enough. Would you like a

Mmm screenshots should be kept as limited as possible particularly when we have free replacements. I thought the 2004 image of her with the award would be OK in the film career section. Can I try it and then see what the others think later? If not we'll see if any of the others would agree to finding another screenshot that does more encyclopedically.

Oh I'm sorry. Am I not permitted to state my thoughts and discuss articles with other editors too?

I agree also but where is there a source for this?

Baldy had it planned ready and waiting! I've added "Despite being the third highest grossing film in India that year^[