User talk:Speednat/Archive/2013/Nov

Hi Speednat; thanks for the barnstar! Always nice to get some positive feedback and much appreciated. With regard to getting Tinamou to FA, I would love to see it get there, but it will need someone other than I to do the final checking and polishing. Essentially, I have done what I can with the article, but it needs someone to do stuff such as reference tweaking. Feel free to nominate it for FA; it is still the WP:BIRD current collaboration. Cheers. Maias (talk) 06:27, 3 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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I also used the "short citation" for editing in an easy way many articles (Enantiornithes for example), and for that reason they create some months (¿or weeks?) ago a "Visual Editor" (an interface that hides the wikitext), to simplify this problem.--Ornithodiez (talk) 01:37, 8 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi. I'm concerned about the way you are completely overhauling reference sections, which I gather is for

I personally strongly dislike short citations. They are confusing to readers as they do not link directly to the actual details of the source. Future editors are also far more likely to use the more widespread full style (and thus lead to citation style clashes later on). Wikipedia is in digital not printed form and does not need to conserve space. Furthermore, in articles likeAbaca, it's completely unnecessary to have to create two sections just to point to a mere handful of references.

Please do not unilaterally change citation styles. And if you do, consider using full citations instead to avoid having to clean it up again. The latter is more widely used in Wikipedia and is the style available in the templates presented to new editors. Cheers.-- OBSIDIAN†SOUL 12:45, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The issue I have with the long citation style is when numerous different citations refer to the same source but with different info (mainly page #'s). In this situation the short citation style is the only way to maintain order. However, not every page requires that,

Abaca is one where it works either way. I used to think the long was better too, but the aforementioned reason swayed me, when I could not see a logical way to reconcile the problem in keeping with the long style. speednat (talk) 14:54, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply

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Unless a book is used heavily for an article (which in itself would not be ideal for POV reasons), that rarely becomes a problem in my experience. Usually the number of pages used for the entire article is less than 4 per book and right next to each other (e.g. "202–205"). Simply enumerating them should be enough, as the reader can quickly flip through those pages and check which verifies what. The same system is used in scientific journals, incidentally.

But agree to disagree, I guess. Just please don't change citation styles unilaterally. Keep the style used previously per our policies.-- OBSIDIAN†SOUL 19:47, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate the food for thought, I am trying to do what works best and makes the articles involved professional looking and efficient. speednat (talk) 20:06, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I really do appreciate the work you're doing though. Long or short styles, it's still better than the mess the reference sections are for some articles. :) -- OBSIDIAN†SOUL22:38, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I really do appreciate the input and not just a quick revert and nose thumb. speednat (talk) 23:08, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]