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Wiki Loves Pride pages

Yike, my watchlist is filled with so many pages moves and redlinks now. I'm not sure if these page moves were necessary, but now I feel obligated to go through and updates lots of pages and templates to reduce the number of redirects. Thanks for all you do here at Wikipedia, but I feel like a heads up here might have been nice. :) ---Another Believer (Talk) 22:17, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

  • @Another Believer: Truth be told, I understand what you mean, and I know what pages you are referring to; in fact, I actually had an internal struggle regarding the move of the "2017" page for the fact alone that it is still 2017. (I'll follow up on that in my second comment/ping .) Making pages in the Wikipedia namespace easier to navigate has been an on/off task of mine for a bit; one of the most prominent ways I have found to so is to move some pages to a title that will make it a subpage of an appropriate page, making it easier for those not technically-savvy to navigate between related pages. However, as you probably noticed, if the moved pages had subpages itself, the subpages have to be moved as well to marry them to the pages' new title. And I assume that you may have watchlisted every individual subpage, making your watchlist light up like a Christmas tree. For that, I apologize; however, from what I know, I don't have any method to determine 'who has a page on their watchlist, but only how many have watchlisted a page. Anyways, my moves only consisted of adding a "/" between the word "Pride" and the year represented in the title. Steel1943 (talk) 22:28, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
    • Not to worry, and actually I feel like my message above may have come across as more rude than I intended. I just thought the page moves were unnecessary, and leaving lots of redirects, but not the end of the world. Thanks for your reply. ---Another Believer (Talk) 22:31, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
      Thanks for your understanding. I left the redirects in place since all of those titles probably have incoming links, and I have no intent to break any of those incoming links. (I think there's even a guideline somewhere that states that it's a requirement to leave the redirects.) Steel1943 (talk) 22:37, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
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        Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Pride 2017 page, since I know you participate in most of these events since I saw your name on the pages. Am I correct in assuming that moving the current year's page to Wikipedia:Wikipedia Loves Pride/2017 title may cause issues this year? I'm asking you since after I made the move, I had second thoughts and reverted myself. I would believe that even if the page was at Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Pride/2017, participants would still create pages as subpages of the title without the slash. Steel1943 (talk
        ) 22:34, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
        • (edit conflict) Umm, I guess you're fine moving 2017 pages for the sake of consistency. ---Another Believer (Talk) 22:35, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
          • (Edit conflicts everywhere! ) Okay, I may revisit that in 2018 then, just to be on the safe side. :) Steel1943 (talk) 22:39, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
            • @Another Believer: (Probably my final ping ... sorry for so many) I just noticed that you are the creator of the yearly pages. In that case, I'll go ahead and reinstate the 2017 move, in addition to working on the incoming links. Steel1943 (talk) 22:53, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
              • Thanks. Your help with repairing links is much appreciated. ---Another Believer (Talk) 23:59, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
  • @Another Believer: By the way, thank you for your follow-up edits on Template:Wiki Loves Pride. I usually check for incoming links in the "Template:" namespace when I perform such moves, but I assumed that there was not a template representing meetups for this subject. Please forgive me on that: I'm usually not that sloppy with it comes to looking for such incoming links. Steel1943 (talk) 22:47, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, I am going through and fixing page moves. I'm sure I've missed some, but Wikipedia will survive, and editors will find where they need to go. :) ---Another Believer (Talk) 22:48, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Your recent page moves regarding
WP:RRTF

Hey there, Steel1943. You recently moved a large quantity of Rick Riordan task force pages to new names, including

WP:RRTF - a redirect used as a shortcut to get to Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Rick Riordan task force
- you didn't really accomplish anything. The redirect is still in place, but now it's just a leftover form your move. The others, like the "Magnus box", "PJ box", "roll call" pages etc. were even less helpful. These pages had intentionally short names, as they were being used as templates. The short syntax used to substitute them into pages was beneficial; some of their documentation even talks about this benefit. The from-move redirects that were just created will still work as templates (as far as I can tell), but the moves have only made these pages harder for members to find and use in the future.

I understand that you were trying to make all these subpages of the "Rick Riordan task force" main page, but I don't see why some can not be subpages of "RRTF". There have been "RRTF" subpages for most of a decade now, and I fail to see how doubling the number of mostly-blank Wikipedia subpages for the project is helpful at this point. I'll not ask you to revert your moves as it won't really accomplish anything, but I would ask that you please refrain from moving any other task force pages that you might come across. At the very least, the task force would appreciate some warning and an explanation of your reasoning in the future. We've had issues with other editors moving pages before causing template issues, and the cleanup has been time-consuming. Just trying to head off any more problems at the pass. -- 2ReinreB2 (talk) 03:22, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

  • Hello
    WP:G3
    .)
Anyways, I hope this explains why I did what I did; either way, none of the existing transclusions or links to the pages that start with "WP:RRTF" would have been affected by these moves since they should all redirect to the respective page I moved them to with "Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Rick Riordan task force" as their parent. (I'm a bit careful when it comes to these moves; I truly understand what you mean when you say Just trying to head off any more problems at the pass., and if I thought there would have been any page-breaking problems, I would not have performed the moves.) However, you just reminded me that I should check to see if there are any transclusions or links to pages that start with "Wikipedia:RRTF" that should be replaced with a direct link to the parent. I'm willing to help out in any way I can. Steel1943 (talk) 03:55, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
@
Wikipedia:RRTF that I moved and added a {{Shortcut}} template to each of their new titles, signifying the name of the page as a subpage of Wikipedia:RRTF prior to the moves I performed. Steel1943 (talk
) 23:57, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

List of Golden Sun characters

Hi, Steel1943. I'm from Chinese Wikipedia, and with an interest in rules in English Wikipedia, so I'm glad if you respond me by citing policies and guidelines. The reason I did the redirect is a rule of thumb in your Wikipedia: any character article/list without a development/reception section should be redirected. And per

talk | changes
) 08:21, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Precious two years!

Precious
Two years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:39, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Unsolicited words...

Hi, Steel,

Somehow you seem to have been under the impression that I have some major problems with your executed closes. Precisely, I have none.(Esp. when they were just relists!)That I came to view your arguments or points in two recent move-rel. disc. with Dr.Strauss, I am of a gentle belief (It goes without saying that it can be horribly wrong!) that you are willing to group policy based !votes from experienced editors in the same pan with no-policy-based ones from newbies/acc. often, whose sole contributions are at the AfDs etc. While this is purely a personal choice and by

supervote region is extremely delicate and wafer-thin--in certain scenarios.With warm regards:)Feel free to keep this, if this is of some worth or purge....Winged Blades of GodricOn leave
15:14, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

  • @Godric on Leave and Winged Blades of Godric: I appreciate your clarification on the matter; your first statement regarding what I thought was going on is spot on, so I apologize for misunderstanding your intentions and taking issue with your words. And wow, I am speechless at the moment. At this time, the only thought I have is that I have gained a good amount of respect for you as a Wikipedia editor, and I have no way of formulating my words into thoughts at the moment. I'll return to this conversation soon; I have to attend to some RL events, but I wanted to respond to you promptly since I understand what you mean more that I am capable of saying at the moment. Steel1943 (talk) 15:37, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
  • @
    tl;dr; I had a lot of individual thoughts on your comment, and I'm not even sure if I wrote them all here.) Steel1943 (talk
    ) 20:54, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Just seen your reply.Winged Blades of GodricOn leave 06:54, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Relisting mechanism

Hi,

I'm just going through the RM backlog and I've seen the snazzy AfD-style banners that you've managed to incorporate into your relistings. Did you do that via Twinkle? When I tried it broke the bot...

Thanks,

DrStrauss talk 20:39, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

  • @
    WP:XFD discussions. (I try to use that template if I see a concern that needs addressing during the move discussion to form consensus.) But no, I place it manually. Steel1943 (talk
    ) 21:11, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Specific pages

Why did you redirect "Penguin (comics)" and "Poison Ivy (comics)" to "Penguin (character)" and "Poison Ivy (character)" with no explanation even though they don't have their own comic series like Joker, Kingpin, Iceman, and Wolverine? --Rtkat3 (talk) 15:51, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

I'm going to add a bit more since looking at the history of the redirects, I'd be confused as well. The redirects were originally created at their respective "(character)" titles, and they redirected to their respective "(comics)" titles. After I moved the articles (per
WP:NCCDAB), "(comics)" redirected to "(character)" instead. Steel1943 (talk
) 16:14, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
I see what you are talking about. In instances where I discover this, I would work to fix the redirects on other pages linking to them like other contributors did. I just thought that the redirects were done because they might've had solo issues at some point like the examples that I listed. --Rtkat3 (talk) 16:18, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
@
WP:BRINT for templates and to update the name of the article for files [I think there's a guideline for that, but I cannot locate it at the moment.]) Steel1943 (talk
) 16:54, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

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GBA Network Boot discussion

You can do whatever you want with that page because I guess I made that page so long ago (about 10 years ago) that I didn't even remember doing so until now.Uuruuseiyo (talk) 07:11, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Hatnotes

Hello Steel. You changed my consolidated hatnote at

WP:HATNOTE: "{{Hatnote}} allows general text to be shown in hatnote format. It is appropriate ... to combine several of them in a single hatnote." I hope this is helpful. Regards, Shhhnotsoloud (talk
) 08:33, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

  • @Shhhnotsoloud: I hadn't realized that I had left the unnecessary extra "It is not to be confused with" wording in the hatnote when I made my changes. But, either way, given that I do a lot of edits on Wikipedia related to disambiguation and hatnotes, I disagree with your interpretation of Wikipedia:Hatnote#Generic hatnote, considering the text you omitted from your citation: "{{Hatnote}} allows general text to be shown in hatnote format. It is appropriate when none of the other specific templates listed below includes the combination of parameters needed, or to combine several of them in a single hatnote." I've always understood that as essentially stating "If multiple templates have appropriate specific parameters for each necessary distinction, that is preferable over having one generic hatnote with custom text already generated by other hatnote templates." (I've seen my interpretation used on most pages I've seen with hatnote(s), thus why I interpret that guideline as so.) That, and in my own opinion, the hatnotes should be separate since the use of the search term "IBM" on Wikipedia is separate from "Big Blue"; in other words, it would make no sense to put terms/subjects named "IBM" and "Big Blue" on the same disambiguation page. Steel1943 (talk) 11:40, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. Yes, it seems our interpretations are indeed fundamentally different. I'll give some thought to that, and may raise it at the Hatnotes Talk page, in which case I'll let you know. Cheers, Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:30, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
@Shhhnotsoloud: Agreed. After giving it some more thought, I do realize that there are some existing hatnote templates that are a bit of an exception to what I'm saying, such as {{Redirect-multi}} (which can be set up to refer to multiple, most likely distinct disambiguation pages), but I don't see how any more specific hatnote template other than {{Hatnote}} can be used to present the necessary distinctions for "IBM" and "Big Blue" on IBM without using multiple templates, considering that "IBM" itself is not a redirect. I looked through Category:Hatnote templates for a bit, and I could not find such a template.Steel1943 (talk) 15:25, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
I think all the {{redirect}}, {{for}}, {{about}} etc templates are just special versions of the {{hatnote}} template, designed to make editors' lives easier. There simply isn't a instantiation of a hatnote-variant template for every complex scenario. My opinion: one consolidated hatnote, using the {{hatnote}} template if necessary, is always better than 2, 3 or more individual hatnotes (on separate lines). Get the majority of readers to what they want quicker. WP:Hatnote basic rule #5 "If at all possible, limit hatnotes to just one at the top of the page." That is precisely the opposite of your "If multiple templates have appropriate specific parameters for each necessary distinction, that is preferable over having one generic hatnote with custom text already generated by other hatnote templates." Nevertheless, let's not fall out over this - you do great work for Wikipedia. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 05:31, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
@Shhhnotsoloud: Thanks! And no worries; it takes a lot more than this to have a "fall out". But interesting; not sure how/why I've never noticed "#5", considering that I've never seen it done in practice for every, or even most, applications. Can't say I agree with it in full since there are applications (in my opinion) for why separate hatnotes are clearer for the reader (as well using separate hatnotes being more helpful for individual hatnote template maintenance). I've always looked at the template {{Hatnote}} as the "module" that runs more specific templates, even thinking that the direct use of {{Hatnote}} should be avoided since there should be a more specific template in existence to use for what is being distinguished/disambiguated. Anyways, quite interesting. Steel1943 (talk) 13:10, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi

I replied to you here. Just though you'd like to know. Sakura Cartelet Talk 02:43, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

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A beer for you!

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Moved disambiguation page

The page White dragon (disambiguation) was moved to

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Talk:Descendents

Thank you for spotting that one. I have noted "15 per cent of the citations for the term in the Oxford English Corpus " in the Talk. Just a note that I would supporting taking that to Move Review if your RM doesn't pass. This is a fairly classic and clear example of user-unfriendly titling. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:33, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Image

Hi Steel, Hope all is well, Could you work your magic with File:New Bitmap Image1.PNG please - I know it can be redirected to Commons and all that but shant try myself as I'll flaff it up so was wondering if you could do it instead :), Thanks, –Davey2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 19:41, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

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WP:SRBPLACE

Please, if you bump into more Serbian place names, wait with moving them. There has been discussions on the article name style (see also).--Zoupan 03:32, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

  • @
    Jaša Tomić (Sečanj) etc.

    ...Due to the guideline and examples reflecting the use of parentheses in titles for Serbian villages being present in that section for over 4 years (I could have went back further, but I eventually gave up since that statement has been there for so long), my recent moves of Serbian villages seem rather uncontroversial. Also, all of my recent moves were only done to "village" pages. Steel1943 (talk
    ) 12:16, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

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