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A discussion is taking place as to whether the article 2014–15 A-League results is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2014–15 A-League results until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.. QED237 (talk) 13:40, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Hey man. Just wondering, where is it mentioned that we must include state flags like this for comps like the FFA Cup? If we're gonna use colours to signify the A-League clubs, then we should use them to signify all NPL clubs aswell. Using state flags in a national competition like that is so stupid to me. Why not use state flags to signify each where each A-League club is from? And what about the Northern NSW? Shouldn't we use a different flag from the NSW flag to show that they're NOT in under the banner of Football NSW? For me, it makes a lot more sense to include club colours in this national competition. - J man708 (talk) 11:00, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

But having A-League colours for state league teams is confusing. Stirling Lions with Adelaide United colours or whatever weird connections were there is not understood at all. The A-League colours have a connotation of the A-League team on A-League team season pages and therefore is confusing to use for state league teams. --SuperJew (talk) 11:02, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Sorry to chime in - as I've said elsewhere, I'm not a big fan of having the A-League colours in the first place, let alone other clubs. But I'm also not sure that state flags should be included either - see

MOS:FLAG "Subnational flags (regions, cities, etc.) should generally be used only when directly relevant to the article. Such flags are rarely recognizable by the general public, detracting from any shorthand utility they might have, and are rarely closely related to the subject of the article". That being said I can see how they could be seen as relevant here, given that clubs qualify through state leagues, but I'm not sure that that's enough. Macosal (talk

) 13:08, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

You've hit the nail right on the head. It is directly relevant. The state league clubs qualify through their state for the FFA Cup. The A-League clubs automatically qualify to the Round of 32 just because they are A-League clubs, not withstanding which state they're from. --SuperJew (talk) 13:10, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

I guess so. I'm more against the use of A-League colours than the state flags - I haven't seen any other league on WP where they are used at all, let alone repeated dozens of times in every article. Macosal (talk) 13:20, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

I like it. It gives me an easy, visual aid to identify the clubs, helpful to see which club is which at a quick glance. I find it harder to edit when there isn't the colours. And the ASB Premiership uses club colours too. --SuperJew (talk) 13:24, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Sure, but I just can't see any way it doesn't violate

WP:ICONDECORATION. For mine it's fine to intro it on one or two of the major articles, but when there are tables/fixture lists it just becomes a rainbow of coloured box after coloured box. Macosal (talk

) 13:33, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

It doesn't violate

WP:ICONDECORATION because it serves as visual cues that aid the reader's comprehension and improves navigation. --SuperJew (talk

) 13:36, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Mmm I have significant doubts about that (I'd be shocked if it got through a discussion on

WP:FOOTY). The broad direction throughout WP is to limit flags and icons as much as possible and I really doubt this would buck that trend. Macosal (talk

) 13:43, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Hey SuperJew, just wondering your thoughts on helping with the continuation of the Northern Fury season articles on here. I know that they aren't a top flight club, but I think that they are a bit of a special case as the only A-League club to be playing in the second division, and also they still maintain aspirations of making it to the top flight once more. Thankfully, they already have a 2013 Northern Fury FC season article that is up, so we'd have that going for us. I just know that you've made season articles before and I have no real idea what I'm doing, but I'd like to see these articles on here. What do you think? Is it something you'd be interested on working on with me? Cheers! - J man708 (talk) 06:51, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Hey, firstly they aren't an A-League club anymore - they're a former A-League club. If there are enough sources and notability to have an article I see no problem with it. I'm flattered by the s/o, but I don't have time right now to work on it, as I am flying on Monday to the USA for 3.5 months. I'm sure you can do it though. Just go to one of the first revisions of a season page (the skeleton), copy it, change it for Northern Fury and build it from there. Good luck! --SuperJew (talk) 07:20, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Way ahead of you. I often do that to articles, using a template, that is. Thankfully, there really isn't a timeframe, so I might create it in my userspace, send you the link and you can add to it when/if you wish. Also, former club/club... Meh. We don't call them former murderers, do we? :P And no, you're not allowed to go to the US. You have to stay in Aus and edit articles. Hahaha. But seriously, cheers for keeping the club season articles up to date! - J man708 (talk) 08:33, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Haha, trying to keep me by force? :P Anyways, I should be back with regular computer & internet access by the beginning of September.

BTW, I actually live in Israel. My mum is Aussie and my uncle, aunt and cousins live there and got me into the Aussie sports culture. I was travelling in Aus December-April, and am now missing it terribly!

Thanks for the kind words :)

--SuperJew (talk) 11:54, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Seriously, you don't live in Australia? Crazy! I just didn't think that the A-League would get fans willing to do the Wikipedia hard work. How often are you here? Is there plans to come back? Where are you currently? Sorry if you don't feel like answering a million questions, it's just that I figured you lived in Melbourne or some shit! No one surely willingly supports Collingwood if they're not from there. :P - J man708 (talk) 15:14, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Haha, no. Just my mum's side of the family. All the family are die-hard Collingwood supporters (except my grandfather who went for Carlton) so I was brought up on that. And I've also been following the Socceroos since I was a child. A few years ago I took interest in the local league, and actually updating here helps me follow. I used to visit about once a year until 10 years ago and then I had a 4 month trip just now. I def want to come back, though in the near future I'm starting studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem. We'll see how life develops, but I'll for sure be back, at least for visits :) --SuperJew (talk) 15:30, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

More crap here - from March - that I've just discovered : 2018 Australia national soccer team season. I've just put a speedy deletion tag on this. Does anyone keep track of the user names or IP that this is regularly being perpetrated by ? such as Haker34 ?Matilda Maniac (talk) 23:13, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

There's no real way. You can block, but IP's on computers change pretty frequently. --SuperJew (talk) 01:02, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

You are deleting families, mentioning them not being relevant, stating none of the members has played for a senior national team. But that is not a essential requirement. The list also contains families that have some individual that is just "an important person in the game of football". So it's very unspecified and subjective, since there is no defined criteria for importance. The senior national team criteria would also not be the best approach since the level of football is globally so different, e.g. when you keep in mind that Championship or Bundesliga football is on a far higher level than any national team in Africa or Asia.
Therefore I will keep on entering all important football families of Europa, although maybe have no member with senior national team experience.DrunkenGerman (talk) 23:14, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Hey DrunkenGerman,

I was going based off the clause in the intro, as right now the article is very large and heavy to load.

The intro says: Families included on the list must have: 1. at least, one member of the family is capped by a national team on the senior level or an important person in the game of football (e.g., notable coaches, referees, club chairmen, etc.) 2. a second member must be a professional player or capped by a national team on the U-17 level or above.

If you think this clause is not correct, bring it up on the talk page of the article. Also, IMO, if an individual is just "an important person in the game of football" there should be a note (preferably referenced) about what his importance is.

Thank you, --SuperJew (talk) 13:09, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello, SuperJew. Well it's just that you make up your own matter of interpretation of the intro. The criterium is "importance", not only caps for the senior national team. If you would want to change it, you would have to open a discussion at the talk page. In the end, the article will be very large anyway, just because the enormous amount of football players. So if the amount is what concerns you, you should maybe initiate splitting the article.

Also "importance" can be seen as equivalent to relevance to Wikipedia. So every player that is relevant to Wikipedia is also relevant to this article. No further note or reference is required, as further information can be found at the respective articles. This approach also prevents the creation of redundant/duplicative data. DrunkenGerman (talk) 15:06, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi there. There has been discussion both in 2015 (here: Talk:2015 FFA Cup) and in 2014 (here: Talk:2014 FFA Cup#Bracket Table) which decided that the bracket table would not be shown until after the semi final draw, as there are draws for each round, and therefore potentially misleading in terms of showing a progression for each round for who might meet whom (such as with a tennis draw, or NSW Waratah Cup where the entire draw is known in advance). It therefore doesnt make much sense to me to be currently displaying more information on the Season summary page than in the main article. Lots of typing there to get what you've got done so far, so THANK YOU, and that will still be useful to use come October after the semi-final draw is made. Matilda Maniac (talk) 23:15, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I you are absolutely right about it being potentially misleading. Therefore I added a note to avoid this leading astray, as we did last year. Thanks for the catch! --SuperJew (talk) 08:33, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

I think you missed the point that we are not even showing the bracket in the main article until it is completely known, and therefore we dont need the additional information on the summary page. Matilda Maniac (talk) 15:26, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

I think you missed the point that the consensus on FFA Cup page doesn't reflect the season page. The FFA Cup has all the matches detailed and the bracket is only a summary. The season page doesn't have any of the matches detailed, and therefore the bracket is the only info. If you want to change it, please start a discussion on the season summary talk page. Thanks --SuperJew (talk) 15:36, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

you edit conflicted my reply - that was a bit rude ?

Why do you feel the need to have additional information on a summary page over and beyond what is show on the main page? i will raise this on the articles talk page rather than doing further reverts. Matilda Maniac (talk) 15:40, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Also a head-up I think we're generally stripping away the State flags from these sort of articles, as the clubs are not representing their States, they merely happen to come from one of the 9 federations which relate to different states, and the flags dont really add very much (they're a bugger to differentiate at the icon size thats used).. Matilda Maniac (talk) 16:20, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

They are there though through the federations. They don't merely happen to come from 1 of the federations. If the FFA Cup took for the round of 32 for example the best 32 in the country, Darwin Olympic would most probably not be there. --SuperJew (talk) 16:25, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi,

Just regarding my comment at Talk:A-League transfers for 2015–16 season: There is a lot of evidence to suggest that you are the same contributor as whoever was operating a number of IPs which have already participated at length in that discussion:

• The IPs became active at the same time that you went away/stopped using your normal account.
• The IPs seem to have close to identical opinions to you on every issue.
• The IPs edited very similar pages to you: a number of pages relating to the A-League/A-League transfers/A-League seasons; but also others that you wouldn't associate with an interest in the A-League such as 2015 Collingwood Football Club season and 2014–15 Beitar Jerusalem F.C. season. If this is not you then it is truly an unbelievable co-incidence that somebody with exactly the same interests as you appeared, sharing your opinions and interests, at the exact time of your departure.
• The IPs themselves had an unfortunate habit of trying to pretend that they were different/unrelated contributors to one another when this quite clearly was not the case.

The IPs I am referring to include this one, this one and this one as well as a few others.

I would also have to say that you do have a somewhat different manner in conversations on Wikipedia, however, the weight of material above certainly concerns me. Apologies for having to do this, but you'd have to at least admit that the above certainly gives the appearance that you and they are the same contributor. Macosal (talk) 23:07, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Well this does seem to be quite the coincidence, but I can assure you that I was on vacation in America and very rarely had the time or the means to edit here. As you say despite this coincidence I have a different manner in conversations than these IPs. Furthermore, are you going to group people with similar opinions together as the same person? --SuperJew (talk) 06:49, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

I'm afraid it's a lot more than "quite the coincidence" - in fact, I would say it is all but impossible. Your views are not "similar" they are IDENTICAL. If you want an example, the IPs response to one of my issues was "If you have such an issue with the word transfer change the name of the page". Your response? "if you have a real issue with the term "transfer", maybe we should consider changing the name of the page". So don't try to paint this as me suggesting that two people who think similarly must be the same person - it's me suggesting that two people who have the same interests, opinions, behaviours and mannerisms are likely to be the same person.

Unfortunately, the IPs are, as far as I can tell, also American - a further unhappy coincidence? And please don't belittle me by suggesting the reason I think you are them is merely because you have the same views! That is the sort of argument those IPs have used in the past, ironically...

I will not be continuing the discussion at

WP:SPI due to the remarkable similarities at play here, where people more experienced with this kind of thing than me could have a look. If you're happy to just drop it, I'm happy for everyone to just move on - let me know. Macosal (talk

) 08:58, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Drop this investigation? Sure, why not? You're the one who initiated it. What dropping are you talking about? But in all seriousness, if you feel I am disruptive to the project, please let me know and I'll consider dropping out. On the other hand if you think I am useful and helpful, and as the sorry state of the pages are right now before I'm updating seems to strengthen my case, then forget about this whole silly ordeal. --SuperJew (talk) 09:01, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

I am talking about a formal investigation at

WP:SPI. I am saying that if you are happy to stop pressing for further changes on A-League transfers for 2015–16 season (which have already been extensively discussed at Talk:A-League transfers for 2015–16 season by IPs who may/may not be you) then I am happy not to take that step. Let me know. Macosal (talk

) 09:05, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

To respond to the other half of your response: there is no doubt that you do a lot of work which significantly improves the standard of pages of this project. I would maybe say there have been a few times you could be a little more receptive to other people's feedback, but by and large of course the work you do is useful and significant in keeping a number of pages relating to the A-League up to date and of good quality, which, as you mention, would not always occur otherwise. Macosal (talk) 11:46, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

I get the feeling you think I'm poking a dead horse in the discussions, which I am not.

Let's look at it shall we?

page format: All I said was I agree with the current system. No further need for discussion.

flags: I offered a different idea than any previously suggested, and different than the IPs in question.

transfers: I agreed with the consensus and suggested a different use of terms.

coloured boxes: Is an on going discussion still outside of this talkpage, so irrelevant to the discussion.

Therefore, out of 6 discussions started while I was away, only one have I added an opinion to which would warrant more discussion, and this opinion is different to those previously suggested and different to the IPs in question. If you say this is "pressing for further changes on A-League transfers for 2015–16 season" and strongly the need for an investigation... --SuperJew (talk) 12:10, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Ok. I will respond to your suggestions. I will be reasonable and civil. But don't push it please. I will go to

assume good faith. I take this action as a sign of progressing forwards, and hope that you can accept that for what it is. Macosal (talk

) 13:22, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

I am confused. Did you read my previous paragraph? I am not continuing a circular debate. I brought in one new opinion on one debate. That's all. --SuperJew (talk) 13:31, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

The discussion on whether colored boxes should be on that list has been done. Done again. And done again. You (and "the IPs") are the only ones who have tried to keep them there. Against policy; against consensus. That is the debate I will not reenter into. Macosal (talk) 13:36, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

• Richard Garcia is currently Glory captain - he has worn the armband whenever hes been on the pitch in the last 3 games (and I've physically seen him wearing it). He is currently captain in both the pre-season friendlies, and also in FFA Cup. He is captain until such time as he's not in my opinion. I shall change those reverts back.
• Guyon Fernandez : has been called into the Curaçao national football team for the first time, so he's FIFA Eligible for that team, despite his place of birth. Is there a guideline for those that are eligible for multiple teams (but haven't yet hit the pitch) to default to the country of birth ? I think that might be the case recently for a number of Aussies who are also of Croatian heritage.
• Dorrien Gardens : was there last month . . . . I don't think its currently being called BGC anymore, and couldn't find anything really recent and official to back that up, but didn't have time to really look - i think your edit there was certainly appropriate. Matilda Maniac (talk) 07:06, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry if you feel that way, but we seem to edit the same field, so that would make sense that it happens. But be sure, I am not trying to revert you specifically, there's no personal agenda.

• As I said I've also seen rumours that Djulbic might captain Glory this season. I am aware that Garcia captained the pre-season and FFA cup games, but these are not usually factors for the season-long captain. Until there is an official announcement by Glory, we should keep it with no captain marked (like Victory and Jets).
• The general guideline I am aware of for multiple nationalities is to go by the last senior side played for, last youth side played for or country of birth.
• I just went by the name they used in the media referenced.

--SuperJew (talk) 07:19, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for reverting my edits a second time immediately after I posted here. I hope that there's no personal agenda. As such a seemingly little thing as (c) seems to be of importance to you, I can certainly live with waiting until theres an official announcement from Glory, as you seem to be implying that the official Captain is only really the A-League captain, rather than the man who is currently wearing the captain's armband in official matches. Matilda Maniac (talk) 07:57, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

So who exactly is the Australian captain ? Jedinak, who wasn't even at the game? or Luongo, who was handed the armband as Milligan left the field tonight (only to pass it on to Cahill) ? No, the captain was Milligan. Similarly, Perth Glory's captain is currently Garcia, and there doesnt necessarily have to be a referenceable internet report to make it official. Matilda Maniac (talk) 14:30, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

I beg to differ. The Australian captain is Mile Jedinak, and Tim Cahill is the vice-captain. As Jedinak was injured Cahill was originally meant to captain the side tonight, but in the last minute Ange decided to keep Cahill on the bench and Milligan captained the team tonight. One (not even full) game as captain does not make Milligan or Cahill the captain of Australia. They were just filling in for the injured Jedinak. --SuperJew (talk) 14:36, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Still having fun reverting my edits for no real reason ??? the article on

FYROM etc. etc. So I merely changed it to the ACTUAL name of the article, not the abbreviated form. Your analogy of equating this to Australia or Germany is not particularly relevant as they do not have equivalent regions in Greece. Am changing it back, and suggest that you raise it on the talk Page if it is important enough. Cheers, Matilda Maniac (talk

) 09:47, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Have discovered that Guyon Fernandez has also been in the Curaçao national football team prior to this year's World Cup qualifier - it was in last year's Caribbean Cup 2014 - Curaçao squad; that seems sufficient - under your discussion above of guideline for multiple nationalities by the last senior side played for - to list him under the Curaçao flag. Thoughts ? Matilda Maniac (talk) 17:08, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

As I said earlier The general guideline I am aware of for multiple nationalities is to go by the last senior side played for, last youth side played for or country of birth. Not by the squad included. In the past I think it used to be that way, but then managers would "trap" players by calling them up, but not playing them, thus denying them the option of playing for another nationality. Also, in all the media I've seen around his signing with Perth he is referred to as Dutch (i.e. Netherlands, his place of birth). --SuperJew (talk) 18:23, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

dont just cherry-pick media reports : Yes, he's "Dutch", but the flags that we use in these articles are about FIFA eleigibility, which can be different things. Matilda Maniac (talk) 18:43, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

I'm not cherry-picking. My main argument is the general guideline I am aware of for multiple nationalities. On a side note isn't it funny/interesting/kinda sad how WikiEditors will use media when it suits them and dismiss it when it suits them? --SuperJew (talk) 19:44, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

As do I, as do you. Its called Life !! Hey if you are in Australia why are you not asleep ? Matilda Maniac (talk) 19:55, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Who said I'm in Australia? --SuperJew (talk) 20:38, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

I actually thought you might be in Israel, given the time of your posts. I'm in Côte d'Ivoire. Matilda Maniac (talk) 07:03, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Have a look at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#Sporting nationality, again - dealing with Shane Lowry, very similar scenario. My view (and the view of the vast majority there) is that the nation for which he has been called up/declared interest for should be used in these circumstances (i.e. Curacao is appropriate here). Macosal (talk) 07:31, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

I'm still not completely convinced. Do you have a source saying Fernandez is intent on representing Curacao? --SuperJew (talk) 07:48, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

He has gone as close as sitting on their bench and yes, there are examples of him talking about his desire to play for Curacao. Side note: I think the same should apply to Roly Bonevacia. Macosal (talk) 08:12, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

I can understand both sides of this. Personally I think it should be by the team he has actually played for, which would be even more relevant for Bonavecia who has played for Netherlands youth team. Also, I don't see their intent as so powerful, when they opted to pre-season train with their club rather than play for the Curacao national team. However, as I do understand where you're coming from, if you do change it I won't revert. --SuperJew (talk) 08:22, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

And yet you've re-started changing it back again today in one of the 3 tables of 2015–16 Perth Glory FC season. Any particular reason why things change now after 4 weeks? Matilda Maniac (talk) 15:56, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

You are right Matilda Maniac. My apologies, I was just copy-editing on robotic mode. My bad. --SuperJew (talk) 17:45, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

No worries, RobotJew ! Matilda Maniac (talk) 03:43, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi. I can read Ivrit tolerably well, but struggle with the interface for editing. Would you be happy to do some occasional edits for me on he:? They're mostly likely to be related to football (soccer) or cricket. Ta either way. Gmar tov. --Dweller (talk) 10:45, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

If I have time, I would be happy to help out :) Just let me know. --SuperJew (talk) 11:31, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! Top of my list was getting at least a stub established at Carrow Road. Thanks. --Dweller (talk) 12:03, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, I missed this due to the conversation below :S Do you mean a stub in Hebrew on he.wikipedia? --SuperJew (talk) 16:55, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Can you at least engage in a dialogue instead of reverting like an egotistical maniac? Memphis Depay may wish to be referred to by his first name, but he is still commonly referred to by his last name in commentaries and written articles. –

Wow, you are being nice and respectful to your fellow man. How about we leave in the way that won't insult the person until we reach an answer? --SuperJew (talk) 12:04, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

But seriously, can you just please read about him? "He plays only under his given name to spite his absent father." Read the article. Read the references. --SuperJew (talk) 12:51, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

You need to stop this. Right now. Yes, he wears his first name on the back of his shirt, but members of the media still call him "Depay" in commentary and articles. Stop being disruptive and check the UEFA match reports. –

Jay

13:02, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

So that media is wrong. Other media (referenced in the article) mentions that he goes by Memphis. --SuperJew (talk) 13:03, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Yes, on the back of his shirt. That's the only time. Stop being disruptive or I'll report you and you'll be blocked. –

Jay

13:05, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

You're the only one being disruptive here. He plays only under his given name. --SuperJew (talk) 13:07, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Again, that's only on the back of his shirt. There's a difference, and it's not my fault if you can't see that... –

Jay

13:11, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Pretty sure "only on the back of his shirt" and "plays [as in all aspects of it] only under his given name" do not mean the same. Granted I understand you may be confused Pyjamas as they both have the word "only" in them. --SuperJew (talk) 13:14, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Consider yourself reported for disruptive behaviour and personal attacks. –

Jay

13:24, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Likewise --SuperJew (talk) 13:28, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

I have blocked you for 24 hours for edit warring on Memphis Depay. I can see from your talk page history that you are well aware of the rules and penalaties relating to edit warring and have been warned in the past. Due to your lack of previous blocks, I believe that a short block in appropriate in your case. TigerShark (talk) 14:58, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Hey. I can see where this might come from. But honestly, if you look at the discussions we've had you can quite clearly see PeeJay was edit warring and I was just reverting to the way things were. I also tried having a discussion with him, but he was not open to it. --SuperJew (talk) 14:59, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi. I understand and I did note there was some discussion, but there was also edit warring from both of you, happening in parallel, which if why I believe that blocks were appropriate. TigerShark (talk) 15:11, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi,

Why are you removing the above category from all players? The convention is to include both the league (once a player has played in it) and the club (once the player has signed for them) as categories (if that's why you're removing). See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 96#American NWSL categorization of players for an example of what I mean. Cheers, Macosal (talk) 02:10, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

It seems redundant. The club category is a sub-category of the league category, so if they are categorized in the club then they are def categorized in the league. Also, the majority of the W-League players are not categorized in the league. For the NWSL makes a tiny bit of sense as some teams have moved between leagues, but in the W-League there's no movement between the leagues. --SuperJew (talk) 07:47, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Players should be listed in the club regardless of whether or not they actually played in the league. This is in line with overwhelming consensus elsewhere (e.g. all players in "Sydney FC players" are also in "A-League players"). If the majority of players weren't categorised in the league, then that is something where improvement could occur - in the opposite direction. But you definitely need other opinions given the overwhelming practice to add both league and club in these cases. Macosal (talk) 08:12, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Alright I wasn't aware of this practice. It just seemed logically as redundant categorizing to me. I'll work on improving it in the opposite direction then. Thanks, --SuperJew (talk) 08:23, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Please do not place links in the bold reiteration of title, as you did in

The 2016 season is Collingwood Football Club's 120th season of senior competition in the Australian Football League (AFL). The club also fielded its reserves team in the VFL.

I wasnt aware of this, and have done it in some soccer articles previously - so will go back and reword some. Whatever is selected, probably needs to be duplicated for 2013 / 2014 / 2015 seqasons too. Matilda Maniac (talk) 00:26, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Could you add the Australian u17s best result. Runners up in 1999. Great work! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.73.3.46 (talk) 04:54, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. You're also welcome to do it yourself! --SuperJew (talk) 07:56, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

The article about Australian player Jessica Humble which you have contributed to has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to join the discussion at:

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jessica Humble (2nd nomination)

Hmlarson (talk) 00:52, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

I commented. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. --SuperJew (talk) 17:23, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

I do apologize. My cursor jumped when loading, so when I hit the delete button, instead of deleting the "Australian" (as my intention to move to Mount Gravatt Football Club) it deleted the "M". The technicalities didn't allow me to move it back or forward so I promptly put in a request at

WP:RMT, which I see has been taken care of. --SuperJew (talk

) 18:43, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

A Barnstar for you

		Moves like Kim Little Barnstar
		As a recipient of the Kim Little barnstar, we'd like to thank you for make amazing WP:WOSO . Thank you for your diligent work!

Haha, I literally have tears of laughter in my eyes right now :D That's Brill! Thanks a lot --SuperJew (talk) 22:57, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I've noticed that you reverted my edits on Adam Treloar and James Aish; a player means that they have played a game. The description in the overall category of VFL/AFL players states This is a listing of all players to have played in the elite Australian rules football competition that was known as the Victorian Football League (VFL) between 1897 and 1989, and currently known as the Australian Football League (AFL) since 1990, and therefore, can be applied to the club categories and players who have played 0 games for a club should not be listed as one of their players, for example, Daniel Currie does not have the Sydney Swans player category. Jevansen has also followed this with their edits, here are a couple of examples of their edits that follows this [1], [2]. Even though it is a likely outcome that they will play a game for Collingwood, this category does not apply to them yet and "with clubs it's once they're added to the squad" is not applicable due to the aforementioned example where a player who does not play a senior game does not fit in the category. The category is a representation of List of Collingwood Football Club players, and players who have not made their debut are not listed with those who have, and thus do not fit the category yet. Thanks, Flickerd (talk) 00:54, 10 December 2015 (UTC).