User talk:Thryduulf/archive2

...I don't think there's any point in fine-tuning the language of BEEFSTEW. I hope your change wasn't prompted by any dispute over whether some particular article scored on point D or not. BEEFSTEW is just a very rough-and-ready guide intended to discriminate between real articles that have had some serious, good-faith diligent effort, and lazy vanity substubs.

I have no doubt that pitbull school inclusionists will score the same article differently than I would. Dpbsmith (talk) 10:07, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, well one of the things I feared about BEEFSTEW, which actually took place in the case of

Dr._Michael_M._Krop_High_School, was "BEEFSTEW bloat," i.e. a systematic effort to add mediocre-quality material to school articles in an attempt to meet every possible BEEFSTEW point. An article with a BEEFSTEW score of 2 is a lousy article, but an article with a BEEFSTEW score of 8 isn't necessarily very good. Really, though, and speaking personally, I have no problem with articles about schools as long as there is really a group of editors who actually care about these articles and are willing to put in real work in order to bring them up to some minimal standard of accuracy and quality. My objection is to the substubs, the vanity, and the articles that present essentially the sort of tabular database information you can get from www.greatschools.net. I think what we're getting now is mostly syntheses and paraphrases of material from the schools' own websites, but I can live with that. Dpbsmith (talk)

12:40, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment, but I make it a point to avoid getting into revert wars so I won't be doing a revert to restore the picture inline--somebody else will have to do that, to demonstrate to Luke that it isn't just me. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 11:18, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Oh, looks like Davenbelle did so. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 11:33, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your recent work. I just wanted to explain: I created the section on the "standard dictionary numbers," and I did so for a fairly specific reason. In a way, it's grotesque overkill. But it does seem be an effective way of keeping nerdcruft out of the article, or at least making a crystal-clear distinction between "real" words, that words like "googolplexian" and "trigintillion" are not real even if someone has them in a list on a website, or if they appear as the output of a program for giving English names to indefinitely large numbers. Dpbsmith (talk) 13:42, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• Re Chambers: up to you. (I personally don't think I'd bother unless it shows any interesting difference from other dictionaries in terms of which words are included). But please do keep this article on your watchlist. I've noticed that this article and
  Binary prefixes and a few others like it are constantly subject to editing by people who, I think, want to show off their belief that they "know" the names of bigger numbers than any that appear in the article. There was a problem a while back with constant re-creation of articles on "nonabyte" and "doggabyte," for example. I think it's just an extension of the time in elementary school when everyone competes to see who knew how to count to the highest number... "yeah, well I can count up to a thousand," "yeah, well I can count up to a million skillion jillion!" Dpbsmith (talk)
  14:05, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Further to that: I and Wiktionary:User:Paul G put a whole load of "-illion" words into Wiktionary a while back (gazillion, kajillion, jillion, and so forth). I omitted fazillion, because it fell below the usage threshold that (to me) indicated that it was a word. Someone else, completely independently, later added it, and we're currently discussing, over in Wiktionary, whether it's a word. One of the points brought up is that there is a very large number of possible words that people can make up fitting this pattern. And people do, indeed, make them up. ☺ Uncle G 15:20, 2005 Apr 22 (UTC)

Never underestimate the power of a distributed readership. There was bound to be someone who remembered that exact article, and in this case it turned out to be me. Glad to be of help! JRM 14:16, 2005 Apr 22 (UTC)

Agesilaus II has now appeared redoing the previous nonesense put up by Agathocles of Bactria Brookie 19:32, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I basicaly am trying to create an "Click at own risk" image. --Cool Cat ^{My Talk} 09:59, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Fine I put it to VfD. I wont troble wikipedia with any more projects as they all got torn apart without any discussion could be made. --Cool Cat ^{My Talk} 09:59, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hello and thank you for your help and offer to help on the arbitration matter. I have three questions:

1) Is this part of the template below something I am supposed to complete, or someone else is supposed to complete?

"Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried

If not, then explain why that would be fruitless"

The reason I ask is because if I am required to complete it, then, I will. If not, then, I won't.

2) I notice two of the ten people on the committee seemed to have already rejected my request. Are they suppose to wait until (a) the above template is complete, and to (b) read a statement (not yet submitted) by the other party, before they make a decision? It seems to me that both (a) and (b) would be necessary, but maybe I am wrong about that.

3) Also, do ten people actually weigh in on this, with rejections or accepting the request I made, or is it just those two people who already rejected my request? I will return here to your talk page for any clarification you can give me on this process. If I should have written this on the arbitration page, please let me know and I will copy and paste there. Thanks, SummerFR 17:01, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thryduulf,

I am still posting tonight my efforts to have a dialogue with Bartloft tonight, but -- can you translate for me what is happening here right now with these committee members' comments posted so far? I don't understand the following:

1) Is the 500 word opening statement supposed to be the place where one presents an entire case? I thought it was a summary and the opening statement, limited to 500 words. Or, is it just whatever number of words you want, like BartLauf did, to actually present a case right away? Is there actually a hearing AFTER the 500 statement or not? I thought there would be, and that specific evidence is presented at that time. The harassment against me was really horrific. Yet, in reading these committee comments, I am feeling like this is what Cuba or Communist China must be like. And I am not trying to be funny here. I am truly shocked.

2) I am the one who brought the case AGAINST someone else. Yet, this committee, so far, seems to want to ignore my complaint, and make this a case against me. Is this arbitration committee ALSO allowed to retaliate against me, for bringing a request for arbitration? I never heard of such a thing. It seems, based on those comments against me by some on the committee, they are voting on a complaint not filed (against me), and not brought by Bartlauf -- a respondent who is VIOLATING the 500 word statement policy.

3) I also requested three committee members to be removed. Does that also not matter? Does anything I say about the actual facts matter at all? So far, it seems not. SummerFR 02:38, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

See my user page for my thoughts on the keep/delete schools issues. If you think I'm not aware of something, please leave me a message there. I've been researching the keep/delete subject myself, and hearing other's viewpoints on the whole situation would be very welcome. - Pioneer-12 15:21, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hi, Thryduulf. I saw your comment regarding typos—yeah, I wasn't positive what to do with "liscence" since you also had written "Dual Licensing" (American spelling), but since you had said you were English, I corrected the "liscences" to the British spelling but left the American spelling alone. — Knowledge Seeker দ 17:04, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

FYI: I have deleted User:Thryduulf/Internet/Self-destructive subcultures (proposed) after it went on VfD without any further comment.... I think that counts as consensus. :-) Mindspillage (spill yours?) 02:59, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

If Thryduulf did not nominate the page himself, then I object to this deletion. If I had known that it was on Vfd I would have objected there. Deleting pages in people's personal space.... that seems rather nonsensical. People have a right to their opinions. If Thryduulf wants to have this page then he can have it, and if he wants it deleted then it should be deleted. Even if the page is full of garbage it should be kept; it is his right to fill it with garbage if he so chooses. Vfd is for the general encyclopedia, not censoring people's personal views. Only violations of copyright or things not acceptable under the First Amendment--such as outright lies and threats to violence--should be deleted from one's personal space against one's wishes. (The English wiki is based in America, so the First Amendment "freedom of opinion"/"freedom of expression" should apply. Even if it doesn't, Wikipedia seems to share and respect the First Amendment values.) I would have liked to read about "Self-destructive subcultures". The topic sounds interesting, and I've done research on subcultures in the past. Also, pages should not be deleted based on the opinions of one. One person is, categorically, not a consensus. - Pioneer-12 03:59, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Now, watch it turn out that Thryduulf nominated the page himself. Heh. If so I withdraw my objection.

It was good to get my opinion out there, just in case. - Pioneer-12

Yep, I nominated it! Thryduulf 07:05, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hi there! Because the RFC about Xiong seemed to deal mainly on his disagreements with Netoholic, I thought it best to start a new RFC to see if people have comments on Xiong's behavior that do not relate to Netoholic. Please give your thoughts and/or opinion on that at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Xiong. Radiant_* 08:26, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. This may be something that falls through the cracks. However if someone is using the template mechanism on one of his own user subpages in talk space or whatever, TfD may not be the most appropriate response. You could ask him to stop, for instance. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 11:12, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Ah. Sorry, dunno how it ended up on your user page <red face>.

I was referring to your comment on my talk page:

TfD

Your comment on the userspace policy proposal, "There is no existing bar on TfDing a user template." is not backed up by the precedent of the Keepschools template in userspace. The top of TfD starts "This page is for deleting things in the Template namespace". Thryduulf 13:44, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Never mind. :) --Tony Sidaway|Talk 00:40, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I agree with you on how stupid it is that this page exists so I'm adding a delete tag. freestylefrappe 03:10, Apr 30, 2005 (UTC)

I've created a draft project at

You removed the template {{Audi}} from Audi A8, declaring that you removed an inappropriate stub template. That is not a stub template.

An anon IP user removed the stub template just before you got there. —Morven 17:24, May 4, 2005 (UTC)

Please refrain from posting personal attacks against other users - many people consider accusing others of being a deletionist constitutes such an attack.
If you continue then you are liable to be blocked from editing Wikipedia until you can be civil. Personal attacks also severly hamper any cause you are trying to promote by alienating others against you. Thryduulf 16:01, 5 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It is clear from the user page User:Pcb21 that this individual's inclusionist leanings are not sufficiently extreme to be upheld as orthodox. To paraphrase President Bush, "You are either with us, or you're with the deletionists." Indeed, your defense of this individual and threat of blocking only prove your own deletionist sentiments. You must be destroyed. I will now vandalize your user page. 205.217.105.2 16:58, 5 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You're really helping me with this. I just would like to thank you. -- Subramanian ^talk 04:16, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Brookie here - thanks for the post on my query - it's sorted now! Kind regards Brookie:the wind in the grass 07:25, 11 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This section of WP:W hasn't seen any use in the month since its creation... do you think we should keep it? Yours, Radiant_* 08:11, May 11, 2005 (UTC)

For your

Hi, Thryduulf. You may have noticed that I never did get back to working on several song lists projects, like your commendable effort on User:Thryduulf/Geonamesongs. I've essentially abandoned my work on the song lists, mostly because I find the effort in maintaining them much less than any value I'd hoped to get from them. (Which is not to say that I don't think they're valuable in general — just not to me anymore. It has, perhaps, more to do with my personal life and reevaluation of my priorities than any comment on the lists' intrinsic worth.) If you've been holding back taking votes or making changes at least partly because of my lack of participation, please don't. Wikipedia, like any wiki, is a compilation of work by the willing and able, and I'm just not making the grade anymore on this topic. I apologize for leaving you folks hanging. — Jeff Q (talk) 21:38, 14 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

On Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) you asked about the "-ication" (actually, you wanted "-ifciation") word for nine. From "nonuple", I'd guess that the answer would be "nonuplication". I suppose you were just joking, but I wanted to know too. So now I'm off to look for an opportunity to use that word. One-dimensional Tangent 19:58, 17 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like the links you made worked just fine, to me at least. Just thought I'd let you know. — Knowledge Seeker দ 08:53, 18 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm...[[:cy:]] gives cy:, which seems to work for me. Maybe you could try it again? — Knowledge Seeker দ 16:50, 18 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there! I've reworded this a bit per everyone's comment, and would like to get support to make this a guideline and allow it to be used. Could you please indicate if you agree? Thanks, Radiant_* 12:28, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

This jerk abused his authority, violated Wikipedia policy by using his authority to clear away his lackey's opponents in the middle of a content dispute, and deliberately lied about me claiming that I am a sockpuppet. I stand by my statements. ElKabong

Hi Chris: It seems to me that you are being rather harsh on User:24.60.128.48 even though I can see that their refusal to respond is frustrating. I have sourced some of the information that s/he added and I think that is more appropriate than reverting their changes. I was particularly concerned to see you reverting a spelling correction and demanding source. If I were that user I would feel hectored at best and bullied at worst. I dunno ... all the good stuff you do and I break months of silence to lecture you ...! --Theo (Talk) 10:53, 22 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the explanation. I need no apology. Would you like me to keep an eye on this IP? --Theo (Talk) 15:17, 22 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I had to revert him several times over the past few days, mainly over that one statement by David. I know thta pages can be protected from vandalism, but does policy pages ever need protection in situations like this? Zscout370 (Sound Off) 14:49, 23 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Zscout is a lying POV-pushing jerk. And I would appreciate it if you would direct problems you have with me, to ME, rather than throwing baseless accusations at an innocent user. Unlike Zscout I have certain principles and morals, and watching someone innocent be attacked is not something I will stand idly by and accept. ElKabong Firstly, your behaviour and that of KaintheScion are basically identical, and it has been proven beyond reasonable doubt by David Gerard, who the community trusts to have access to the relevant technical information, that you and him/her are the same person. Secondly, making personal attacks against another user on my talk page in a message about directing problems with you to you directly, is a good example of the pot calling the kettle black. Thryduulf 15:53, 23 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

David Gerard is a liar. He fabricated the so-called "evidence", in a scheme to aid Tony Sidaway in violation of Wikipedia policy on using admin powers to gain an advantage in content disputes. Nothing more, and nothing less. ElKabong

I'd just like to personally apologise for the edit to the Dalek page. I'm glad that you understand that I was just making a joke, but I feel terrible that my attempt at humour was miscontrued and that I went too far. I've since withdrawn my request for adminship. I'm now sending a personal apology to all those who've opposed the adminship because of my actions. - Ta bu shi da yu 02:25, 24 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the tip, Thryduulf. I've moved the question to UK Wikipedians' notice board -- yet another area of WP of whose existence I hadn't been aware. -- Hoary 07:51, 2005 May 25 (UTC)

See List of English songs whose title includes nonsense-words.
And enjoy (You'll be singing within 30 seconds). :-).
-DePiep 14:29, 25 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Thryduulf - just noticed this, which you wrote on Zscout370's page:

re: page protection, any page can be protected by an administrator (of which I am not one), and requests can be made at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection (WP:RFPP).

As I type this, you have 3999 edits(!), and have been here since at least the beginning of the year. You're also fairly heavily involved in VP, reversion of text, and talk pages all across Wikispace, as well as being a conscientious article editor. So... would you accept if I nominated you for admin? :) Grutness...wha? 09:31, 26 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

:) Consider it done. You'll have to go here to accept nomination and answer a few questions, but you know how RFA works, so you already know that... good luck! Grutness...wha? 11:45, 26 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No need to thank me - I think it's overdue, and hopefully others will too. Grutness...wha?

I created

Just for your information I only created the Category:Fair trade status and Category:Fair trade categories, all the rest I only discovered after trying to populate them -- Joolz 21:05, 26 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The site you mention is not in Dutch at all!

It looked vaguely scandinavian however, so I asked a scandinavian to tell me :-) They identified it as a language spoken in Norway: Nynorsk.

I don't speak that langauge, unfortunately.

To aid in identification in future: Dutch is written with almost the same alphabet as english is, has a special y vowel (often typed as ij), and still uses Diaeresis consistently as part of the required spelling, wheras in english it's been phased out. Dutch words are often similar to german, but with a more modernised spelling.

Sorry I can't be of more help!

Kim Bruning 00:23, 27 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Thryduulf, kim asked me to take a look at the nynorsk page. I can't find any copyright info on it—it's a school site, and I kind of suspect they don't have much of a clue about copyright themselves. However, the picture is obviously really old! It's way out of copyright. I'll tag it {{PD-art}} and put in a reply at the RD. Bishonen | talk 00:42, 27 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Chris: Please would you go apologise to Sam for your very funny joke on WP:AN. I know that it is unfashionable to consider the feelings of aggressors but his response suggests that he took the joke personally and I do not think that you meant to hurt him. --Theo (Talk) 09:47, 29 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks for you comments about the page I started. I had hoped people would take it as a positive thing. Feel free to add some people, although you may want to ask them first, as I don't know how people will feel about being added yet. I've added the category you suggested as well. Cheers, --Silversmith Hewwo 18:25, 29 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I just finished the reconstruction on geonames of the Dutch section. Implemented in the live list. I suggest you delete that work-section from your working-page. From no restrictions now on editing etc, as far as I'm concerned. -DePiep 10:52, 31 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It Was nicer work than just Talk-ing. -DePiep 18:49, 31 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Thryduulf,

Thank you for considering nominating me as an administrator. I've been thinking about a self-nomination, but I really wanted to cut back on the time I spend on wikipedia. I haven't succeeded, though :-( . So, yes, I would gladly accept your nomination. Eugene van der Pijll 17:37, 31 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations! It's my pleasure to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an

• Congratulations on your promotion too. It ended with a 57/2/1 vote so it looks like I have to add you to
  this page. Have a blast with those admin tools. Zzyzx11 (Talk)
  16:53, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Congratrulations from me as well. Your adminship is long overdue. — Knowledge Seeker দ 18:00, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Well done, Chris. Remember, with great power comes great responsibility. --Theo (Talk) 22:33, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Well done - I am very glad I nominated you. Go get 'em, admin! Grutness...wha? 01:53, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Congratulations! And look out, evildoers, wherever you are! -- Hoary 04:01, 2005 Jun 3 (UTC)

I have no idea how to reply the message you sent me, but I'm trying my best. If I'm doing something wrong, please let me know. I have made three reverts today after the discussion. 08:41, 3 Jun 2005 Flowerofchivalry (rv) 05:43, 3 Jun 2005 Flowerofchivalry (edited for leaving from bias) 02:23, 3 Jun 2005 Flowerofchivalry (leave from bias) I read the link in your message, and the policy said that I cannot revert 3 times in 24hrs period. I might misunderstood the policy about "today" and "24hrs" If I violated the policy, that's bad thing. If so, I have to repent my sin. By the way, you said: >> I will block you if you make 1 more revert, or break the 3 revert rule in future. Thryduulf 10:27, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC) Does this mean I must not revert Iris Chang in future? I appreciate you send me something upon reading this so I know you read this. --Flowerofchivalry 06:03, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I appreciate your help.--Flowerofchivalry 07:55, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

There are a number of false accusations by

Thank you for your support on my RFA. Now that I have been promoted, I promise to be as hardworking and fair with the admin tools as I have been with the other areas here on Wikipedia. See you around and happy editing. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 00:43, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for voting on my RFA. Have some pie! I was pleasantly surprised by the sheer number of supporters (including several people that usually disagree with my opinion). I shall do my best with the proverbial mop. Yours, Radiant_>|< 07:57, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for supporting my candidacy for administrator. Kelly Martin 15:13, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC)

I know your contact information section states that one can help with minor corrections, but since it is explicitly stated as not being in the public domain, I feel that it is better to post my suggestions here instead.

In the "How can I contact you?" section:

• publically --> publicly (although the latter form is slowly being accepted as plausible)

In the "What about spam" section:

• aproximately --> approximately

In the "Will you reply to my message" section:

• apropriate --> appropriate
• definately --> definitely --HappyCamper 22:11, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I noticed your comments in the "Pre-empting impersonators" section on Village pump. I wanted you to know I created a template for these accounts: Template:doppelganger. Check it out! Essjay · talk 12:34, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)

Hi Thryduulf, I know this is a bit late, but I want to thank you for your support vote on my RFA. Thanks to everyone who has supported me, I am now an admin, and I've been using my new powers to help out even more. Thanks! Linuxbeak | Talk | Desk 23:16, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

Hi there! Based on the discussion at Wikipedia:Deletion policy/Reducing VfD load, I've put together a proposal to expand CSD, here: Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion/Proposal. Before it is put to a general vote I would like your advise on the wording and intent; could you please take a look? Thanks, Radiant_>|< 13:35, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

Hello Thryduulf,
I have seen that you put one photo of the Tyne and Wear-metro-photo to the commons. My question: Are you have more photos? I search for the english and german Tyne and Wear metro article more photos. Thanks and greetings from Berlin --Jcornelius 17:31, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for supporting my RFA nearly a month ago. Unfortunately a sad event occurred at that time in my family, and I have not been able to participate in Wikipedia as much as I would like. I hope to get back to active contribution soon. Thanks again! FreplySpang (talk) 01:37, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hi, just to let you know that the list of UK participants at the

Francs2000 | Talk

... it could have been 112! Only kidding :-) Hey, I appreciate the vote of confidence, even if you didn't vote on the RFA. - Ta bu shi da yu 1 July 2005 05:12 (UTC)

Do you not think that "7 July" is unnecessarily disambiguous? As far as I know there have been no other attacks this year, and this has not been the name so far used by the media. I think it'd be better if we keep general unless either something else happens this year or the media names it as such. The tsunami article isn't under "26 December 2004 Indian..." afterall. --Oldak Quill 7 July 2005 13:12 (UTC)

I have seen that you have reverted the article on

I think the following passage is O.K. and neutral enough to be included in the article on Nick Adams, as these remarks are based on several independent sources:

Adams and actor

prostitute catering to men. James Dean is also said to have claimed that he worked with his friend Adams as a street hustler when he first arrived in Hollywood <!—See http://andrejkoymasky.com/liv/fam/biod1/dean2.html -->. The book Elvis: The Hollywood Years (David Bret, 2002) even claims Elvis Presley

was intimate with Adams. However, there are no court records, contemporary letters or statements attributed to Adams to support these rumours.

Significantly, my opponent Wyss has again deleted parts of this paragraph. His only argument is that my sources which I have cited according to the Wikipedia guidelines are not reliable enough and not peer-reviewed. This seems to be his personal opinion. On the other hand, he has included several other "facts" in the Trivia section and other parts of the article, which are also based on dubious internet sources which are not peer-reviewed. To my mind, he's applying double standards to accept findings which are in line with his personal view and suppresses those which are not. I don't know what I can do, as the edit war is going on. Why is this editor so stubborn concerning the inclusion of some details which can be found in independent sources? Administrator Ed Poor said on the discussion page, "just say that X wrote a book which claims Y is homosexual / bisexual / whatever. One or two lines ought to be enough." This is what I did, but user Wyss does not accept sources such as Hadleigh's Hollywood Gays. 80.141.178.153 8 July 2005 13:42 (UTC)

Hey Thryduulf, I came here to thank you since we've never talked before and found the above, which the anon has also copy-pasted word for word on the talk pages of at least one admin and one bureaucrat. Anyway... thanks! :)

Hi - I thought you'd like to know Uncle G has accepted his nomination on

Hello, thank you for casting your vote in favor of my adminship; I sincerely appreciate it. I'm leaving this note to let you know you forgot to sign your vote. Don't worry, I put my nomination in the wrong section when I started, and I would fix this myself but I don't think its proper to sign someone elses vote. Thanks again! Triddle 15:52, July 12, 2005 (UTC)