User talk:Xavexgoem/archive4
ADHD article
I'd like to help you mediate the ADHD article. Although I'm not exactly uninvolved, I am knowledgable, and pretty good at coming up with compromises. So, if you don't have any objections, I'd like to help. --*Kat* (talk) 11:19, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
response to what you said on medcab page
ABF indeed! I'm thinking that nothing short of Arbitration is going to settle this mess. :-X :-( --*Kat* (talk) 22:21, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
further talk is looking useless
Hi Xav, Further talk in the med cab is looking to be a total dead end. To me it's all about making a group commitment to following wiki etiquette. If it were that simple, it would have been done by now. Believe me, the offer has been made several times. Any ideas? What happens now? Without any commitment to following wiki protocol, the next logical step would be going up the ladder. I was thinking an
A little more feedback
Xav, to save copying over and over, etc, if you will glance at the item close to or at the end of my talk page, you will see my reply to Scuro. Perhaps said differently, I feel that we are seeing such an issue of lack of WP manners and spirit that my hopes of resolution through compromise and give and take are very dim. I am glad to stand clear, and ideally, find that fear to be groundless. Meanwhile, I am working on dozens of articles where all are in good faith, and we are getting the work of building Wikipedia TOGETHER done. Thanks for your patience and efforts. Mark, Vaoverland (talk) 19:52, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Problems dealing with another editor...
Hello,
I believe you offered to help with dispute resolutions and such, so... Well, if you don't mind. ^^;
I've been running into another user named Collectonian several times recently, and... things haven't gone so well. We apparently share an interest for manga and Japanese animation and she's quite active, so I'm afraid history is going to repeat itself sooner rather than later.
The first argument started on October 6, when I edited this article, and this discussion erupted on my talk page. Now, I realize I sound really annoyed (I certainly was), and I should work on that. But I believe my arguments were sound, and Collectonian's replies were quite vague, sometimes even dismissive. The fact she kept assuming the worst (I "assumed" the article was wrong, I removed sources "simply because I thought they sucked") even after I provided my own sources wasn't pleasant either.
Another argument started more recently over several articles. Here's what it looked like before Collectonian decided to remove my "annoying ass quote" (thus making my comments pretty much impossible to understand). And then some more, and some more... and Collectonian then decided to remove my comments from her talk page altogether. Pretty much the same kind of behavior (on both parts...).
And now, she appears to be reverting my edits just for the sake of reverting them (note the remark in the edit summary... it wasn't the first time I edited that article: I'm simply familiar with that particular TV series, having worked on its French translation a few years back). A bit trigger-happy, maybe? I tried to discuss the issue with her one more time, to no avail (I don't even know what "insult" she's referring to, there).
Again, I realize my annoyed sarcasm is partly to blame for all this, but at least I was providing actual arguments, I was trying to discuss the matter at hand. It doesn't look like the other party is interested in doing that, as I was just getting dismissive "that's not how we ("the senior editors", I guess?) do things around here" without any rationale or helpful links, and condescending remarks ("newer editors *shrug*", "such silliness", "similar BS", etc). And now, she's simply not replying anymore.
Anyway, I'm not sure what to do, here... Any insight? Erigu (talk) 05:08, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Redirect Assistance
Hi Xav. May I request your assistance to create a redirect ?
MedCab invitation
I am stepping down as a MedCab coordinator. I would like to invite you to become a MedCab coordinator. Are you willing to take the position? Vassyana (talk) 18:49, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Speedy Delete request
See
Hi again - I'm concerned about an article and how it links as separate articles. See Zoho_Office_Suite - lots of external links, they make edits that disguise themselves as having separate articles (they link to their headings as separate products using # heading tag rather than link directly to their article). It's kinda misleading. Also, their article is a weak for referneces (most links are to their own site or blogs). If such practices are acceptable no reply is necessary. Otherwise, please comment. - Cheers - DustyRain (talk) 20:54, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Mediation Cabal
Hi there, I'm the mediator for the Big Ben Mediation Cabal case. It seems that one of the parties involved is not responding to prompts, so how long should I wait before closing the case? Thanks. Mononomic (talk) 00:24, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Don't close
Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2008-11-06 Woo Jang-choon. Need mediator--Bukubku (talk) 15:36, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Doc James's RFC
I'm not exactly sure what role you would play in his RFC but I thought I should at least inform you of the RFC. Your input during this process would be appreciated. You can also certify the RFC on the link provided below. It would be greatly appreciated if you could go over the application and point out an possible errors that need correcting, or things that need to be done.
Thanks,--scuro (talk) 15:42, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
- On the subject of that RfC and the history behind it, I'd appreciate an analysis by you, Xavexgoem, if you have time, of what happened with the relevant mediation cabal case and where it went astray. I have my preliminary impressions, but I'd rather have your perspective. --talk) 17:52, 22 November 2008 (UTC)]
I would appreciate your help
I am very encouraged by recent remarks that Jhm649 has made. "I am agreeing to act more civil and follow wiki rules". For the first time I actually believe this thing could be settled to everyone's satisfaction. I have some questions about future steps that could be taken. I am not sure what is in the best interest of ALL of the contributors of the med cab and how to best move forward. There are new contributors on the med cab offering plenty of advice and making declarations. I'd appreciate it if you would offer me advice. I trust you.--scuro (talk) 00:44, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Okay how about current steps?--scuro (talk) 00:59, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
I am warming up to Jhm649. A weight has been lifted. He took a step. How's that for a series of metaphors? I can see now that process could become very important as we converge in our viewpoints. I have no experience with sort of wiki process and I become wary when everyone starts offering me advice on what's best for me! ;D Can I simply ignore the new entities and seek common ground with Jhm649?--scuro (talk) 01:17, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
- Things are moving along better then I could have ever imagined in such a short time frame. We are all being accommodating and civil, if not downright pleasant to each other.
- At this point it would be good to bring up those issues of the past and make sure we are all on the same page with regards to established wiki protocols, and work arounds. Everyone is fine with that. What would be the best way to go from here? Should we stick with the rfc format, can we "scale back" and do the med cab? Would you be willing to mediate again? Should we go some other route? Una suggested starting a new process of "mediation" with an "umpire" instead of an administrator. I'd just like to choose the best route/ process for our situation. Your advice would be appreciated, all of us have never done this before.--scuro (talk) 17:04, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
Many thanks for agreeing to help in this matter. --
Close Cabal
I guess you can close this cabal. BCG was banned. However I am still seeking advice for the pages in question. The guy working that case (Mike92591) has been away. Although a peer review I requested has been somewhat helpful. Libro0 (talk) 21:46, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
I like it!
I like it! - Thanks for the laugh! Grutness...wha? 22:58, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
- I refuse to acknowledge what you are talking about. system error. Xavexgoem (talk) 02:03, 28 November 2008 (UTC)]
Reply
Is on my talk page.
Ugh
Let me outta there :-) What is en-ace? (If you are hanging out on IRC, that would explain the problem.) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:18, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
- But is it IRC? That would explain why you got into hot water. Relying on IRC is no better than relying on the telephone game. If you had queried somewhere on Wiki, you might have gotten better info and avoided the whole thing. Stay thee away from IRC !! :-)) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:21, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
- No apologies needed: I was just surprised to see you removing votes, and then surprised to see an undiscussed block (and as you probably know, I have little use for people throwing rules about re blocking policy, and more respect for common sense deescalation :-)) By the way, didn't I teach you to keep conversations together by responding on the same page where the conversation was raised :-) Which reminds me :-) Time to get away from some of those mediation types and write an article. When am I going to see you at GAN or FAC, huh? You'll pick up bad habits in those places you're frequenting :-) All the best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:26, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Could you look at the recent change by Bukubku, especially blanking citations and adding contents regarding his father to the intro?[1] I'm not sure what even Russianism politics means. Mediation would be strongly required....sigh.--Caspian blue 01:36, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
medcab
Mark 1: Have problem; have mediator find problem Mark 2: Teach new people to mediate (result: community; more participants) Mark 3: Medcab under Xavexgoem If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle. - Sun Tzu Plan 1: Recruit members: Village pump, wikipedia-en, build a community ---- Check out 3O; check active contributors; see who's good.
block evasions?
sounds nefarious! - I'm not sure what you're referring to, and obviously it's no biggie in context, but thought I'd swing by here and wonder out loud what you meant :-) Privatemusings (talk) 01:40, 8 December 2008 (UTC)I may now hold my upcoming election defeat against you of course, planning, as I was, a huge fightback starting tonight! curses! ;-)
Happy Birthday!
the end of an rfc
Hi Xacegoem..hoping for a little more advice. We were making very good progress through pretty well all of the conduct issues and we started into the content issues, but now it looks like Doc James has lost interest in the whole process. Now as I understand it, an rfc ends when there is inactivity. Is that the best result for this situation and also for DJ? I had never thought we would get this far but after the progress to date I began to have thoughts of withdrawing the rfc if things got resolved. I had suggested using you as an advisor but he never ran with that. What should I do?...just let the thing end?--scuro (talk) 04:49, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
- Not exactly. I moved the discussion to ADHD talk page. Scuro hasn't made any comments which I do not have any problems with. A discussion of weather sufficient NPOV has been reached to removed the tags has been started. talk) 03:26, 10 December 2008 (UTC)]
- Not exactly. I moved the discussion to ADHD talk page. Scuro hasn't made any comments which I do not have any problems with. A discussion of weather sufficient NPOV has been reached to removed the tags has been started.
- Xavexgoem at the medcab, suggested negotiation or mediation not take place on the article page. It's why I am avoiding both the article and the talk page. It's too easy to fall into old patterns without some sort of agreement nailed down first.
- I did offer a good outcome on the RFC. Check it out... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/jmh649#good_final_outcome . Lets get this thing done!--scuro (talk) 06:38, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I believe that we have dealt successfully with many issues, but as we move onto content issues they should be discussed were everyone who is editing the page can take park. This is why the talk page I think is best. Have posted further on some of the controversy issues. We also have a lot more techniques to deal with issues that might arrive and I would like to thank Xavex for putting up with both of use.
Jmh, if we are going to deal with technical issues, removing tags, and interpretation of controversy issues....I think you will want guidance from Xavexgoem. Do you want him involved in the process as an advisor or mediator?--scuro (talk) 17:00, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
- Guys, I'll just watchlist the article. Don't worry about it. Xavexgoem (talk) 00:54, 11 December 2008 (UTC)]
That sounds great. What does watchlist the article mean...you mean that you will watch list the ADHD article and if things break down, step in? I can see things breaking down very quickly if I were to edit the page to create NPOV. An immediate source of conflict would be the UBC citation which MEDRS declared not good, I'd delete it. Jhm knows the personal who wrote it. Jhm will also remove any inline tags that I put on the page. Are you going to step right in and offer proper guidance...or will will simply fall back into old routines since a number of issues are not resolved?--scuro (talk) 04:17, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
- What I did was add a number of other references to the UBC one. I added one of Barkleys books and another review. Scuro has not yet commented on these additions. For clarification I know some of the people who took part in writing the UBC paper. Their is however many contributor and I only know two of them.
- We have one big tag at the top of the page. Adding multiple inline tags questioning sources that hold a different POV is the same as using weasel words in my opinion. I have asked that if he disagree with the conclusions of the sources I have found then he should find sources that disagree with them. Let me give an example of this. I was editing the pharyngitis page. It recommended all sorts of alternative treatments. I found an excellent source saying that alternative treatments were not recommended.
- If Scuro can find a source, even a primary source, of a RCT beyond two years involving ADHD medication then I would be happy to remove the UBC reference. However what it says is similar to what all the other sources say including the FDA, Barkleys, and another review.
- I do not understand what the problem is? Yes it may not be the best source. But what it says is not controversial. Scuro could add that Barkeleys says it is unethical to do trials on kids when the benefit is there. I could follow that with the FDA from 2008 who says trials on kids are needed aswell as the NICE 2008 guild lines that say the same.
- Anyway got to go.--talk) 20:41, 11 December 2008 (UTC)]
- Anyway got to go.--
In line tags
Xavexgoem do you have any thoughts on inline tags? One was added before to the US gov cite from 1999 questioning it reliability. I am therefore concerned they will be used as weasel words to try to decrease the reliability of well sourced statement editors disagree with.
MedCab changes
Hi Xavexgoem, could you advise when you're going to complete the changes to the MedCab requests system? If it's going to take a lot longer, I would suggest you self-revert and we continue using the existing requests system, until you finalise the new system. PhilKnight (talk) 16:45, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for completing the changes. PhilKnight (talk) 22:56, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
RfA thankspam
Thank you for your participation in my recent RfA, which failed with 61/52/7; whether you supported, opposed or remained neutral.
Special thanks go out to Wizardman and Malinaccier for nominating me, and I will try to take everyone's comments on board. Thanks again for the trust the community has placed in me. A special Christmas song for you all can be found at the right hand side of this message! |
ADHD vandalism
The ADHD page has gotten alot of vandalism lately. Wondering if you could page protect and move protect it? Thanks --
Re: IP block exemption
Hi Xavexgoem. I have removed your IP block exemption flag. All administrators are exempt from IP blocks, so the flag is redundant. Regards, Deskana (talk) 01:27, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed you speedily closed this as a Keep (although not "speedy keep") after just 2 days. While I'm not going to challenge the decision, you didn't mention anything in your closing rationale that would indicate why you closed it 3 days early, and I think it might be helpful if you did so.--
- (copied from Xavexgoem (talk) 14:39, 20 December 2008 (UTC) I always thought there was some sort of "speedy keep" criteria, which is why I didn't list it as such ;-)]
- Well, for what it's worth, I'm not sure it met the speedy criteria either, but I still think it was a good application of the Orphanage 02:03, 21 December 2008 (UTC)]
- Hey, a "good use of IAR" award! /bows. Thank you ;-) Xavexgoem (talk) 02:05, 21 December 2008 (UTC)]
- Hey, a "good use of IAR" award! /bows. Thank you ;-)
- Well, for what it's worth, I'm not sure it met the speedy criteria either, but I still think it was a good application of
ADHD vandalism
As soon as the block came off the vandalism started again. How about permanent protection?--
Notice of MfD closure on talk page
Thanks for taking the time to close Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:JamesMLane/George W. Bush substance abuse controversy. It's my understanding that, when a deletion debate is closed as "Keep", the talk page of the page proposed for deletion should be edited to provide a link to the deletion discussion and a statement of its result. See Wikipedia:Deletion process#Miscellany for deletion page. I therefore took the liberty of supplementing your close by adding the appropriate template to User talk:JamesMLane/George W. Bush substance abuse controversy. This seemed to me to be consistent with your close, and I assume your omission was inadvertent, but I wanted to call my edit to your attention in case you had a reason for not adding the template. JamesMLane t c 09:40, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Merry Christmas from Promethean
Xavexgoem,
I wish you and your family all the best this Christmas and that you also have a Happy and safe new year.
Thankyou for all your contributions to Wikipedia this year and I look forward to seeing many more from you in the future.
Your work around Wikipedia has not gone un-noticed, this notice is testimony to that
Please feel free to drop by my talkpage any time to say Hi, as I will probably say Hi back :)
All the Best. «l| Ψrometheăn ™|l» (talk)