Wikipedia:Article Rescue Squadron – Rescue list/Archive 7

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• Definitely notable, there are tons of italian articles out there about him over many years.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 11:43, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

This topic meets

There doesn't seem to be much danger of this being deleted but you won't regret making sure. Warden (talk) 21:17, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

• haha. I saw this was created the other day but stayed away from it because I knew someone who put it to AfD. The subject is over 18 and is fairly accomplished, so the Allison Stokke analogy would not apply.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 17:51, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

  You got me curious as to who this

  FSN Prime Ticket for example. [4] I think she is probably notable enough to have an article. If anyone finds a second reliable source covering her, and not just for her internet fame, then we can make an article. Dream Focus

  08:02, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

• A Stokke article would create a huge ruckus if "we" created it, I really don't think it would be worth it.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 10:52, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

23 D&D articles have been mass nominated for deletion at this AFD. Per this discussion, I am inclined to believe that more sources exist out there for at least some of these articles. Anything that can be found and added to improve them and make them more notable would be appreciated. 129.33.19.254 (talk) 21:00, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

This is a bone fide ethnicity, the nomination completely ignores

• I'm sorry, LWC, but that article strikes me as bullshit, why did you create that without any sources? 3/4ths of people living in the middle east are arabs[5]. One could create an article on Nebraskan people or people living in any area of the world like that.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 13:29, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

This is second episode of

Warden, can you please explain how

WP:MAD is of any relevance to the question as to whether an individual episode of a television program is notable enough to merit an article? The essay relates to technical issues regarding the preservation of authorship history when one article is merged with another. It makes no assertions whatsoever regarding whether such merges are appropriate. AndyTheGrump (talk

) 23:50, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Considering there don't appear to be any sources showing notability, I don't see how you think the article can be expanded.

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) 00:07, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

• Are you new here? What we commonly do in such cases is find more sources. For example, in this case, here's a good one. So, when you say that there don't seem to be any sources, you're just talking about the current state of the article, right? The current state of an article is usually quite useless as a guide because most articles are of poor quality. Our
  editing policy is to improve articles, not to delete them. Warden (talk
  ) 09:45, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

That's strange, because what I see is squadron members just voting keep without bothering to improve the article.

talk

) 09:55, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

 – Challen, Paul (2001). "Inside The West Wing: An Unauthorized Look at Television's Smartest Show". ECW Press. Retrieved July 16, 2012.

ISBN 1550224689

—Northamerica1000^(talk) 10:59, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

And how does a plot summary of an episode establish that the episode is notable in of itself? AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:09, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

• This AfD is simply the latest act in a comical play of uselessness that has been going on for years. Very popular TV shows typically have editors creating articles on each episode. They don't always do a good job at creating them, but often there is a legitimate claim that each episode is notable because there is decent coverage about every episode. From time to time some random editor happens upon these articles and thinks the separate articles should not exist (even though these episode articles keep getting created about so many shows that no one can ever really stop it using the AfD process). Instead, such editors favor single articles for an entire season. The AfD results are haphazard and do little to improve the project. We didn't get to four million articles based on these efforts.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 18:38, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

If you think there is evidence that the article meets existing policy regarding notability, say so at the AfD. If you think it can be improved such that it establishes notability, do so. This isn't a forum for complaining about existing policy, and nor is it a forum for complaining about editors who act according to such policy. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:45, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

If I want to complain here, I will. But it wasn't even a complaint, it was an observation. If you don't want to discuss the obvious ridiculousness of this never-ending carousel of people wasting time, don't respond. Using "policy" as a substitute for basic common sense ignores reality. If editors want to actually accomplish anything of substance on here, they need to think about what they are trying to accomplish and the best way to do it. Looking blindly at one AfD of one episode out of 130+ articles is not the way to build an encyclopedia.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 18:54, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

'Basic common sense' would suggest to me that an article which consists of nothing more than a plot summary of a TV show doesn't belong in an encyclopaedia - and our policy says the same thing. As for "one AfD out of 130+ articles", I agree that this isn't the best way to deal with the problem - possibly the solution would be to revise policy so that any such existing plot-only articles may be redirected to the main article without the need for AfD, and that any new 'plot-only episode' articles not providing bona-fide evidence of meeting notability standards for that episode should be speedily deleted as a matter of course. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:05, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

• Here's two more sources I added to the article. Perhaps they can be used to expand the article or verify information within it.

– Crawley, Melissa (2006). "Mr. Sorkin Goes to Washington: Shaping the President on Television's The West Wing". McFarland. Retrieved July 16, 2012.

ISBN 0786424397

– Parry-Giles, Trevor; Parry-Giles, Shawn J. (2006). "The Prime-time Presidency: The West Wing And U.S. Nationalism". University of Illinois Press. Retrieved July 16, 2012.

ISBN 0252030656

—Northamerica1000^(talk) 21:52, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

It looks like this article has the possibility of being improved.

• Now at deletion review. CallawayRox (talk) 19:25, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Why is this deletion review listed here and been un-archived? Article rescue squadron has presumably done any job working on content, thus no further action required here.

talk

) 22:47, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

• Perhaps due to
  human right recognized in international law? The editor that relisted the entry here has the right to do so, to inform the project about matters regarding an entry that was posted here. Northamerica1000^(talk)
  00:51, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

This song was proposed for deletion over a year ago and survived the proposed deletion then. The proposer, User:TenPoundHammer has a record of massive proposals for deletion. The subject of the article was judged notable enough to keep then, but TPH is still continuing in his campaign to delete it. -- BRG (talk) 23:02, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Please do not editorialize about the nominator.

p

23:43, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Please do, when appropriate. Track records ARE meaningful in life.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 13:12, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

• This topic appears at the very least to meet
  WP:GNG
  per:

 – Vaché, Warren (2000). The Unsung Songwriters (1st ed.). Lanham, Md.:

ISBN 978-0810835702

.

 – Goldsby, John (2002). The Jazz Bass Book - Technique and Tradition. San Francisco:

ISBN 978-0879307165

.

 – Chilton, John (2002). Roy Eldridge, Little Jazz Giant. London:

ISBN 978-0826456922

.

—Thanks to User:Gongshow (who is also a member of this WikiProject) for locating these sources and adding them to the article. Northamerica1000^(talk) 11:00, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

• The article was retained in the encyclopedia. Northamerica1000^(talk) 22:15, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

This is the biggest group nomination I recall ever seeing and there seem to be several technical issues which editors here may be able to help with. Warden (talk) 22:27, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

An editor did ask for help on a talk page, instead of posting it here. [6] So I'm putting it here for them. The AFD has now been relisted a second time for greater consensus. Dream Focus 15:20, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Reavers are ravening marauders, created by a misguided policy, who cause devastation and misery across the universe.

• All started by the notorious Ten Pound Hammer. CallawayRox (talk) 19:28, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

TPH is a piece of work at AfD. Sometimes his nominations are good, but way too often they are not.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 19:54, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

One of the most disturbing things about reavers is how they make others like themselves. As per the Bushwhacked episode, normal people become so traumatized by contact with them that they turn themselves into reavers too, because after the horrors they've witnessed, they have "no where else to go". Prolonged contact with Reavers is not advised unless you have a very strong character. FeydHuxtable (talk) 20:22, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Luciferwildcat (talk • contribs) 07:10, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

• Fire departments have typically not been treated as individually notable without some expansive coverage, typically I see them covered under the town articles.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 05:12, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Most California cities seem to have an article about them on Wikipedia including the Oakland Fire Department and Menlo Park Fire Department cities both smaller and larger than Richmond and there are copious amounts of sources at the San Francisco Chronicle, Richmond Confidential, Berkeley Daily Planet and I suspect the Oakland Tribune.LuciferWildCat (talk) 08:21, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

I agree. Did a highbeam search and there is ample coverage of them. No shortage of space on Wikipedia, so no reason not to list them. Dream Focus 10:30, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

This was just nominated for

This 'article' is utter bollocks. That anyone can seriously suggest that anyone from the Article Rescue Squadron should do anything other than !vote delete implies that (a) the person posting this doesn't have a clue about Wikipedia notability policy, or (b) he/she thinks that the ARS doesn't have a clue about the policy: please demonstrate the latter by either ignoring this blatant attempt to canvas for the unsupportable, or demonstrate that even the ARS has limits, and !vote to rid Wikipedia of meaningless nonsense like this... AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:49, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

While the article's title may lead some to believe it is bollocks, after reading it you'll see that ample media attention was given do to this person's success on twitter, and various things that happened there. But that is a debate/discussion best suited for that AFD, and not here. Dream Focus 03:17, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Andy's comment makes me laugh, because The Devil's Advocate who brought the recent huge RFC against ARS, coherently voted to keep this article. The reason that the Kutcher AfD has gone on forever is because the delete votes are raving spittle like Andy's comment above, instead of calmly making arguments for why it should be deleted despite the in-depth coverage which Kutcher's twitter usage has received.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 05:08, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

• Scottywong has closed it as delete. I can't recall an AfD ever closed with that precise rationale; perhaps there are many and I'm just not aware of them.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 19:13, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Discussing it on his talk page now. Perhaps he saw only the popular media items, and not the reviews for the twitter site itself. Now
    Barack Obama on Twitter are nominated for deletion. Dream Focus
    07:55, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

A courtesy post here per a message received on my talk page requesting assistance to rescue the article. The article was proposed for speedy deletion, which was declined, and later redirected to Methylenedioxypyrovalerone, which was reverted (all by other users than myself). Northamerica1000^(talk) 09:08, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

• +afd tag just posted! JunoBeach (talk) 10:12, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

A chain of stores with "with over 75 stores in 4 countries" (per the article); the topic is likely

• Absolutely notable. I added a few extra refs.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 14:31, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

This one closed as no consensus, but i almost exploded over the idiocy of that discussion, had to take a few days off!--Milowent • ^hasspoken 22:46, 2 July 2012 (UTC)