Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/10 Great Songs

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. There may be a rationale for an article on the series; but the fact that NALBUM is failed here is not argued against. Black Kite (t) (c) 15:27, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

10 Great Songs

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This is just one of multitude type "budget-priced" compilation albums that have regularly been deleted as non-notable on wikipedia. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 00:52, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note Most of Selena's compilation albums are "budget-priced" ;) however, the album hasn't been released yet. The majority of Selena's so called "greatest hits" albums has charted on Billboard music charts ever since her death in 1995, example La Leyenda which was released last year, peaked #4 on the Latin Albums chart. AJona1992 (talk) 00:56, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 01:29, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete with no prejudice against recreation after release. Selena has released 67 albums posthumously, most of which are probably compilation albums. If it sells well, it could be recreated. Right now it does not pass

WP:NALBUM; it is not a studio album, even though Selena herself is quite notable. Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:51, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply

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Merge until the article is released or impacted any music charts like all her other (well majority) complication albums did. AJona1992 (talk) 00:25, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note Charting alone doesn't make it notable. Being mentioned in multiple reliable sources does, per

WP:NALBUMS. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 03:15, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply

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If the album does chart, it is notable, those others are just other ways if an album didn't impact any music chart. AJona1992 (talk) 03:25, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You're wrong, please read the requirements about notability. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 03:35, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That's where you're wrong. Lets review Ones, shall we? In general, if the musician or ensemble is notable, and if the album in question has been mentioned in multiple reliable sources, then their officially released albums may have sufficient notability to have individual articles on Wikipedia. (1) Selena is OF COURSE notable, (2) Billboard [1], RIAA [2] peaked on Billboard and had a certification of sales. Ummm next please! Album articles with little more than a track listing may be more appropriately merged into the artist's main article or discography article, space permitting. hahahahah lets merge the article lolz, its only an infobox, a sentence lead, track listing, certifications, and fancrut, with only ONE source. Oh please, point blank, if "10 Great Songs" impact at least the least peak position on a music chart, its notable. But since you believe that every article has to be well above "C-Class" to be included in Wikipedia, then you're just plain crazy. Yea theres over 40,000 albums and songs on Wikipedia that are STUBS or START and impacted music charts, yet they get to stay? I'm sorry but, while I'm here, thats not gonna fly ;) btw heres our little cheat cheat.

Lead

Only one sentence? This is against

WP:LEAD

The Limited Edition version also has a bonus DVD which contains all her videos. - source?

Sales and certification

There's an empty section, most likely need to be removed, irrelevant to the one that has the table.

Extras

Remove

orish

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References

One source?

Notes

Con Tanto Amor Medley

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So in you're world, "Ones", which shipped over 500,000 copies (gold status) and peaked at #159 on Billboard 200, #4 on Billboard Top Latin Albums, and #4 on Latin Pop Albums, has to be deleted because it lacks information? Wow, lolz. AJona1992 (talk) 03:59, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Is this an AFD for Ones? No. All I said was:

This album lacks significant coverage in multiple reliable sources.
Charting alone does not make an album notable.

If this album does end up charting, gets certified by the RIAA, receives some professional reviews, etc., then the requirements are met, and there's no prejudice against recreation. But a chart position is not significant coverage ("coverage" means someone actually discussing or mentioning the album) and usually comes from one source (the chart provider). --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 18:55, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No this is not, however, you believe that if any music-related article is a stub or start-class that has certifications and/or impacted a music chart on Billboard, it still qualify for deletion. That's the point that I'm trying to get across. AJona1992 (talk) 15:35, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You have obviously misinterpreted what I said. An album that charts and receives no other significant coverage in reliable sources does not meet general notability requirements for inclusion. This album has neither charted nor received significant coverage. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 16:08, 16 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge to new article

Allmusic, which can help expand the article further. Haven't checked if any impacted any Billboard charts, which is most likely. AJona1992 (talk) 19:31, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply

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You may want to strike out your previous merge !vote. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 16:08, 16 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note that the series itself has to be considered notable with coverage in multiple reliable sources. Coverage on individual albums is not an indication of notability of the series. As precedent, a number of other budget album series have been deleted in AFDs:

The notability of individual albums is independent of the series itself and would need to be considered on a case-by-case basis such as the album in question. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 22:33, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support merge to a new article on the series. I think that there are propably enough refs to support such an article. Robman94 (talk) 14:54, 15 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

When you find references to validate the notability of the series, I will agree with you. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 16:08, 16 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.