Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/AVN Award for All-Girl Performer of the Year

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The result was delete. Drmies (talk) 03:19, 12 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

AVN Award for All-Girl Performer of the Year

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This "product" produced by AVN Magazine (Adult Video News) is not covered in independent reliable sources and uses only industry related promotional materials, and one twitter feed for references. Wikipedia is not a platform for promotion

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• Delete Our core content policy
  General notability guideline as well. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:53, 4 September 2016 (UTC)[reply
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Note: This debate has been added to the WikiProject Pornography list of deletions. • Gene93k (talk) 11:33, 4 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Why is the nominator calling everything a "product"? And maybe you can
  WP:CORP comes into play.) Erpert ^{blah, blah, blah...} 16:02, 4 September 2016 (UTC)[reply
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  • The nominator has taken two porn-related articles to AFD over the last month or so. That hardly qualifies as "trying to clear out all the porn articles". Casting aspersions who take articles you created to AFD is clearly not appropriate behaviour. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by administrators since 2006. (talk) 21:28, 4 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Erpert, please read Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Products and services, and please also refrain from creating articles lacking third party (independent) sources. Thank you. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:02, 5 September 2016 (UTC)[reply
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      • The person above you doesn't deserve a response, but Cullen, maybe you should read the history. This isn't a new article; it was created in March 2015. Erpert blah, blah, blah... 22:01, 5 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
        • Creating articles lacking third party (independent) sources wasn't appropriate in March 2015, either. And you need, once again, to conform to
          WP:NPA. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by administrators since 2006. (talk) 12:11, 6 September 2016 (UTC)[reply
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• Delete. I have nothing to add to Cullen's detailed and accurate analysis beyond kudos. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by administrators since 2006. (talk) 21:29, 4 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep It's a list, a simple sub-article in order to shorten and relieve the main article, just like the other Performer categories. That's just a matter of structure. --SamWinchester000 (talk) 08:15, 5 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't know we have "sub-articles" on Wikipedia. I never heard of stand-alone sub-articles. Per GNG there are stand-alone articles, but nothing about sub-articles. H-m-m-m-m. How does shortening and relieving the main article satisfy GNG? How does being a "matter of structure" satisfy GNG, and ORG? Steve Quinn (talk) 15:19, 5 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry that I don't always know the right words to use in :en as I'm from the German Wikipedia and just occasionally stepped across that, yeah let me call it a crusade. I'm not even that much interested in porn articles and only might here and there rarly read some of them, but I felt I had to do something against that unmatched actions.

So how would you call an article like that? Because, technically it could be part of the main article but that might cost a bit too much place. --SamWinchester000 (talk) 01:52, 7 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Main space article and it does not claim to be a List article - although I suppose it could appear to be a list article. And list articles are also mainspace articles. I am guessing you have the same on the German Wikipedia. Welcome to English Wikipedia. And you are always welcome to post your opinion at AfDs. I wish I had the ability to participate in German Wikipedia AfDs, that would be fun, but I don't speak German. Steve Quinn (talk) 04:47, 8 September 2016 (UTC)[reply

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It's OK. I just wanted to point out that I might not be too experienced with technical terms from the English Wikipedia. Yeah, using a dictionary I'm able to find the right words and phrases, usually. However, is there a formal difference between lists and articles, e. g. with the requirements for notability? Because if not it wouldn't matter if it was a list. If there is a difference theoretically we will just need to rename it as List of winners of the AVN Award for All-Girl Performer of the Year?

Actually, in the German Wikipedia articles like this one are mostly considered removals/transfers from the main article for pure place reasons and therefore don't need to meet any

List of awards received by Britney Spears or List of Borussia Dortmund players

meat GNG?

Finally, little Fun Fact: The German relevance criteria for pornographic performers have been existing since 2008. While they have originally been much stricter than the English criteria for many years they will now – without any change (except for excluding scene awards) – propably be loosier than the English ones. ;) --SamWinchester000 (talk) 02:37, 9 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

P. S.: I've noticed that the English article Ballon d'Or is a featured list as well (without saying "list" in the title). --SamWinchester000 (talk) 08:45, 9 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The requirements for List articles are the same for prose articles - both must have topics that meet the notability criteria

WP:MOS

takes this into account.

I think what you are calling "removals/transfers" on German Wikipedia, are called "Article spinoffs" on En. Wikipedia

wp:product, and so on. Pertaining to the Britney Spears article - the topic appears to be notable by establishing, yes, she is Britney Spears :):) and she was, at first, nominated for Grammy awards (in 2000) and then won some notable awards (beginning in 2005). Pertaining to the "List of Borussia Dortmund players" - I have to wonder if this merits its own article. I can agree that this team is probably notable, but the criteria for listing these players seems arbitrary (I am chuckling about this). I think we should move the demarcation to 107 games :) Steve Quinn (talk) 23:03, 9 September 2016 (UTC)[reply

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• Keep, per samwinchester. Pwolit iets (talk) 15:32, 5 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete -- no 3rd party references and none were presented at this AfD. K.e.coffman (talk) 02:26, 8 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge/redirect to
  flyer 08:11, 11 September 2016 (UTC)[reply
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• Delete - Nothing to preserve - Non notable award for well ... non notable people, FAILS GNG .–Davey2010^Talk 21:45, 11 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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