Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ana Malit

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The result was keep. J04n(talk page) 12:12, 5 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ana Malit

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(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL) Municipality in Montenegro. To whatever it refers, Ana Malit is not the name in Montenegrin/Serbian and the settlements are a hoax too. All given in Albanian making it hard to find actual sources as those would not be their official names and above that, Montenegro is a very small country with probably less than 30 settlements with town status. Those "towns" are not real. I know every inch of Montenegro. Zetatrans (talk) 21:47, 28 April 2013 (UTC) Blocked sock:Evlekis.[reply]

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• Comment: The region is described in this 1858 book. הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) (formerly R——bo) 22:51, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment again: Ana Malit (spelled Anamalit) is also mentioned in many sources as a historical region of Albania ceded (?) to Montenegro as a result of the
  Paris Peace Conference, 1919.[1][2] הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) (formerly R——bo) 01:02, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply
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Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albania-related deletion discussions. הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) (formerly R——bo) 03:34, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Hasirpad, I need to extend on what I was trying to say. First it was my mistake to say "mountain", the claim on the article is that it is a municipality (opština in Montenegrin+Serbian) which it is not (see Municipalities of Montenegro). In addition, the country is mostly one municipality per town and the settlements within are villages, if not a village itself being the seat. Also, Ulcinj is a municipality of its own, there is no "inner municipality" as claimed on the article, and even then how could it come to have those towns listed inside it? Since they are written in Albanian you cannot verify what their true Montenegrin counterpart would be but it should be known that all toponyms on the territory of Montenegro have in English their names according to the local official language, not minority languages. I say it is easier to delete the page than to tidy it up according to what we can find about the geographical features. Sorry I never said this in my lead. Zetatrans (talk) 07:16, 29 April 2013 (UTC) Blocked sock:Evlekis.[reply]

• Weak keep: A verifiable geographic region, though apparently not a "municipality". (Note: the spelling "Ana e Malit" appears in many sources. Which is correct?) הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) (formerly R——bo) 00:21, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Zetatrans: I don't know what to make of your claims. You are right that there is no formal "municipality" called "Ana Malit", but that can be corrected; virtually every other claim you make can be easily disproved: Are the settlements hoaxes? All 12 place names mentioned in the article are the well-established Albanian names (some slightly misspelled) of settlements in Ulqin, and are listed alongside their Montenegrin equivalents in that article. The fact that this article calls them towns only shows that the author was unfamiliar with the formal names of Montenegrin subdivisions.

The correspondence is quite clear. הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) (formerly R——bo) 00:21, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The settlement names written in Ana Malit are in the definite noun form in Albanian. Wikipedia has an established rule when it comes to definite and indefinite noun forms of Albanian placenames, and as far as I know, dictate that they should be written in the indefinite noun form, with the exception of Tirana. The indefinite noun forms of these settlement names are found within the Ulcinj article and are, therefore, technically speaking, more correct in usage. --Prevalis (talk) 03:42, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: I have various maps of Montenegro which list Ana Malit as a geographic region within the municipality of Ulcinj in Montenegro. הסרפד (or Hasirpad, regardless) made a comment that the territory is a historically Albanian territory ceded to Montenegro. Not entirely sure when this event occurred but it definitely occurred sometime between 1878 and ca. 1912. 1919 seems a bit far-fetched given the territorial expansions of Montenegro at the time, which was an integral part of the Royal Yugoslavia by then. Ana Malit is in fact part of a much larger region known collectively as Ana e Malit. Albanian Ana e Malit lies adjacent to Ana Malit at the Montenegrin-Albanian border. There are other articles on Wikipedia regarding Montenegrin geographic regions, namely those near Ana Malit, which are:
  Krajina, Montenegro (albeit needing a revamp and major cleanup), Crmnica, etc. --Prevalis (talk) 03:42, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply
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  • I'm not sure about the exact territorial history of the area either, as I only have Google Books 'snippets' to go by. All I know is that Anamalit and Kraja were discussed or considered by the Paris Peace Conference of 1919; the rest is my guesswork. הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) 19:28, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep and copy-edit as a
  verified geographic location. It does not appear to be a municipality in and of itself, hence the copy-edit portion of my !vote. Northamerica1000^(talk) 12:07, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply
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• Comment: all right, looks like consensus is to rewrite the article about what Ana Malit actually is. I'd say it's more an Albanian subject than Montenegrin as it stretches into Montenegro from Albania. Zetatrans (talk) 19:30, 30 April 2013 (UTC) Blocked sock:Evlekis.[reply]

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