Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anwaar-e-Hira

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The result was no consensus. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 00:48, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Anwaar-e-Hira

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As with 2 other books from this author ive listed today, this articles references are not reliable sources, and do not show notability outside, perhaps, a small fan base. There is some indication of notability for the author in Pakistan, but i have my doubts about that, as no one has linked an article on the Urdu WP to here. absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but its still a problem. Mercurywoodrose (talk) 06:21, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:34, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Poetry-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:34, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please see the citation and references about this book and give some time for searching about other 2 books.Thanks a lot.(Husainzaheer) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Husainzaheer (talk • contribs) 06:34, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have checked all the references and citations, and while i fully acknowledge that this book exists, and that it may very well have some notability in Pakistan, I could not see any clear evidence of its notability from the english language references. All we would need is a review in a english language journal or newspaper that reports on Pakistani culture or Urdu language issues, a mention by a professor of the works notability (in english), or some equivalent. I would suggest that if there are no references in english, that someone create an article for the poet and his works on the urdu wikipedia first.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 17:53, 6 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I know that Mercurywoodrose is commenting in good faith, but with all due respect, that editor misunderstands our notability standards when it comes to foreign language sources. This is the English language Wikipedia of the entire world, not the (much more limited) Wikipedia of just the English language speaking world. If a topic is notable in Pakistan, then it is notable everywhere. Notability can be established by reliable sources published in any language. If sources are available in both English and in other languages, then those in English are preferable for use in an article here. If reliable sources are only available in Urdu or any other language, then they are perfectly acceptable to establish notability here. Whether or not an article on a given topic exists in the Urdu Wikipedia is not relevant to whether that article should exist on the English Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 03:57, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think i wrote something above that i now see is incorrect. I meant to say that i dont see any sign of notability of this book in pakistan, or among urdu speakers, based on links provided, AND that i cant find reliable english language references either. I suspect the work has a very low level of notability in pakistan, but i cant tell if it really makes the threshhold for a separate article here. I respectfully disagree that i dont understand for lang notability standards. while i dont regularly try to edit articles where the references are primarily foreign language, i can recognize blogs, wikis, and self publishing sites in most languages. all the references provided for this article are from such sites. If one of the references looked even remotely like a website for a newspaper, or a respected journal of the arts, i would probably have simply tagged it as needing more refs, and acknowledged that since i cant read urdu, i shouldnt worry too much. I have been checking all the references for all the articles connected to this poet, and all i know for sure is that he seems to have gotten an prize from the pakistani govt for at least one of his works, (or maybe for his body of work). that may make that work notable (assuming that the award is given to a select few, and isnt itself a trivial award, designed to make people feel good), but not necessarily the others. and, if someone editing this article can read urdu, why cant they simply find a good urdu language reference, instead of wiki/blog/social network sites instead? we dont need to have an article at the urdu wp, i know. so, i guess, ill say it this way: no reliable sources provided, or found, to assert notability of this book.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 22:09, 12 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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