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WP:SNOW (a non-admin close). However whatever (talk) 04:07, 6 June 2010 (UTC)]][reply
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Armando Galarraga's near-perfect game

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If this article is allowed to stay, what about the countless other no-hitters that ended up one-hitters due to an umpire or official scorer? Had Johnny Vander Meer not been the victim of a questionable call, he would have had three consecutive no-hitters, to give one example.

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WP:CRYSTAL. It hasn't had that effect yet. When it does (if it does...), it may merit an article. Peridon (talk) 23:08, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply
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May I suggest "The 28-hitter Perfect Game"? It's already been used by a bunch of pundits. --Raderick (talk) 23:56, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have no idea what that name is supposed to mean, but in any case, it strongly violates
WP:NPOV. This is an encyclopedia, not a fan-site. The article's name is fine. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 00:20, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep for now, with a possible re-examination later. As of right now, I feel it doesn't run afoul of
    WP:NOTNEWS, however I'm willing to concede that its too close to the actual event to be sure my opinion won't change. Umbralcorax (talk) 03:09, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep - why are we even discussing this? Clearly notable. GregJackP (talk) 06:02, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - This article should stay up, as it notes a time in baseball history that does not happen that often, if ever. Signothetimes90 (talk) 06:32, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy Keep The nomination doesn't provide a reason to delete - just an incoherent other stuff complaint. Colonel Warden (talk) 08:39, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The controversial play in question will go down throughout all of history as one of the most memorable moments in Major League Baseball history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.9.180.16 (talk) 09:24, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Bud Selig made it notable when he announced that this has event prompted him to review the need for instant replay in baseball. I'd say Jim Joyce's tears also make it notable! --User101010 (talk) 12:43, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete/merge, although obviously the consensus is headed elsewhere. This could easily be covered at Armando Galarraga, a number of the keep votes are not based on policy or fail to address the reasons for deletion (eg: it will be significant in the future, or there's nothing "incorrect or untrue" about it). Hairhorn (talk) 12:58, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep per prior comments. A better page title might be considered, though.--JayJasper (talk) 15:27, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge I know I'm swimming against the tide here, but all this can be covered at the Galaragga page. None of the actual perfect games have their own pages. Spanneraol (talk) 15:57, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Right, and this isn't a perfect game. It was stopped short of one because of a call, one that seems to have had more implications aside from deciding whether the 27th batter of a game was safe or out. There are numerous articles dedicated to blown calls, controversial endings, or memorable events/plays (e.g.
    Eli Manning pass to David Tyree). Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 17:24, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply
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  • Strong Keep Certain games in baseball history are so significant and/or notorious that they deserve in-depth treatment. This belongs in the same category as the Pine Tar Incident, the Shot Heard 'Round the World and others. (Note to Mandsford: Your comment that other perfect games don't have have a separate article is incorrect. There is an article on Sandy Koufax's perfect game. I wonder why that one is singled out, especially since there is no article on the most famous perfect game ever, that by Don Larsen. Given the rarity of perfect games — only 20! — perhaps there should be an article on each one, as well as near-misses such as those by Harvey Haddix and Ernie Shore. But that is another discussion.) Thank you. — Michael J 17:34, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep. This article is of historical significance and of encyclopedic value. --Marco Guzman, Jr (talk) 17:37, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I wonder if this article would have even been created if Armando Galarraga's Wikipedia page had not been full protected by an overzealous admin. All the information that is in this near-perfect game article never had a chance to be included in Galarraga's own article. — X96lee15 (talk) 17:47, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Per encyclopedic value. Also, (and I'm just being a baseball fan here) this is bigger than any perfect game (even though it's not one) in recent memory. However, that has very little to do with my point. But it does offer the chance at significant coverage. --Brian Halvorsen (talk) 19:49, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. We'll all feel stupid if we don't\. No question this is a game that will be talked and read about for decades to come, and it doesn't make sense just to leave it with a paragraph in the perfect-games article Thmazing (talk) 22:01, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep. This game will, and already has, had a significant effect on the history of baseball. Domz (talk) 23:04, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Arguments about whether this counts as a perfect game and whether not counting it as a perfect game is grounds for exclusion miss the point - that the game is plainly enormously notable, like
    Argentina v England (1986 FIFA World Cup quarter-final). Both of those occurred before there was a Wikipedia, but both were obviously matters of note just as quickly as this has become one. — Gavia immer (talk) 00:59, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply
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