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Per tennis project guidelines $10,000 itf tournaments are not notable at all. There are countless thousands of these events all through the years and consensus is never to include them. One of the problems with including it is what happens if the ITF ever raises it to another level that does warrant inclusion? The results would not be fair to the new winners. It would be like if the Shanghai Masters were somehow pushed to a fifth Major 5 years from now. We wouldn't include the winners of last year's event as a Major winner when making wiki charts. The same here... it's a nothing event as it stands and we don't include them. It would also open up a can of worms to new editors who would feel conflicted about why some $10,000 tournies but not others. The men's event is fine. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:31, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: As I've pointed out to Fyunck, the Astra Italy Tennis Cup is a combined event with the
  Internazionali di Tennis dell'Umbria on the ATP Challenger Tour
  . Since we do include all events at the same tournament, it is irrelevant/insignificant that hereditary notability can't be given to the winner like it is to champions on the Challenger Tour. I'm not proposing creating stubs on all $10,000 ITF events, just ones which are notable when played with the notable men's draws. They belong together, even if it is one tournament with two names.

For anyone that is interested, the official website of the tournament showcases both events together. They are both played at the same time at the same place (Tennis Club 1971 Todi). Jared Preston (talk) 06:43, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've also come across the following PDFs from the ATP and the ITF. Each show that this year's event is going by the sponsored name "Distal & ITR Group Tennis Cup", so the women's stand-alone "Astra Italy Tennis Cup" article could, hypothetically, be merged into the men's non-sponsored article name (

Internazionali di Tennis dell'Umbria) and this year's drawsheets too. Jared Preston (talk) 07:01, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply

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• then Merge and Redirect it to the notable Challenger counterpart. It's not a usual thing we do but what we certainly don't do is keeping a non-notable article because "reasons". At the end of the day the guideline decides.
  CP 22:36, 10 July 2014 (UTC)[reply
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Note: This debate has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:32, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:32, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:32, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 14:31, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• OK, I have now merged the content into "
  Astra Italy Tennis Cup can now be redirected there. Jared Preston (talk) 05:52, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply
  ]

However, in the interim a couple forks developed which also must be removed. We also cannot have standalone articles such as

2014 Astra Italy Tennis Cup – Doubles. The main page is not notable, then the yearly events are even more non-notable. Those should be removed completely imho. Fyunck(click) (talk) 08:19, 14 July 2014 (UTC)[reply

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:19, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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