Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Hostomel

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The result was keep which in no way excludes future discussion of a possible article merger. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:26, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Hostomel

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The Battle of Hostomel is indistinguishable from the Battle of Antonov Airport. The one would not have happened without the other. Merge all unique data from this article to the Antonov article. Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:01, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events, Military, Russia, and Ukraine. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:05, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Keep — The battles are very much different. One is for an airport (which started 24 February and ended on the 25 February) that gained massive international attention and the other is the battle for a city, which started on February 25 (right after the airport battle) and ended with the Russian withdrawal on 1 April. No reason to merge or delete.
talk) 17:08, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply
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Keep — The battle for the airport and the battle for the town were two separate engagements. Further, the battle for the airport has shown to be notable enough to warrant its own article. EkoGraf (talk) 17:12, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment you have to ask yourself if there would ever have been a battle for the town had the airport not existed. Laurel Lodged (talk) 18:16, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Yes, I believe there would have still been a battle. Let's assume hypothetically that the airport never existed and the Russians didn't perform their Ride of the Valkyrie helicopter assault. The Russian forces would still be advancing north after capturing Ivankiv (
Battle of Ivankiv). In order to besiege Kyiv from the western side they would still have to capture Bucha, Irpin, and Hostomel since all three towns/cities are literally on right on Kyiv doorstep. The existence of the Antonov Airport pretty much reinforces that. I edit things that come to mind (talk) 19:23, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply
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Delete - True, all of this should be merged with the Battle of Antonov Airport. Also, sources are innacurate and the battle ended with a Russian victory, while the creator of the article still claimed that the battle was still going on. SavageBWiki (talk) 17:45, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Confused on where you see that creator claim. Both battles have ended (Airport on 25 February and Hostomel on 1 April). Also, could you explain why it should be merged, because they are two separate battles.

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Keep - Hello everyone, I am the creator of the Battle of Hostomel article. First off SavageBWiki, I never insisted that the battle was ongoing. You can check the edit history if you want proof. I haven't edited the article in a long time. Second, could you please elaborate how this is a "Russian victory"? While Russian forces did occupy the town, Ukrainian forces were still fighting for control over it and ultimately Russian forces withdrew from the town. I hardly consider that "Russian victory". Third, the reason why I created the Battle of Hostomel article is because I initially proposed changing the name of the Battle of Antonov Airport to "Battle of Hostomel" to encompass the airport and the town. However, several editors suggested that I create a separate article instead since the airport battle has its own notability. You can check here Talk:Battle of Antonov Airport. I edit things that come to mind (talk) 18:53, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Both the media as well as analysts, cited in the Battle of Antonov Airport article, treated the initial airport fighting as an entirely different battle than the later battle for Hostomel city. Applodion (talk) 21:29, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: This was already discussed in a Requested Move discussion in the Airport Battle talk page. The consensus reached was to keep it separate the Airport battle from the battle in the city proper.LordLoko (talk) 22:35, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I think that that was the right thing to do when things were still fluid. Now that's it's over in this theatre, we can see with a wider eye what the bigger plan was. It's clear that the 2 actions were all a single, interdependent piece and should be treated as such. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:50, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The battle for the airport and the battle for the city are 2 different battles with 2 different objectives as already discussed in the talk page of the article for the Battle of Antonov Airport that I created. TheBestEditorInEngland (talk) 16:44, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: This article clearly distincts the battle for the airport and the battle for the town, both of which are notable. In addition to the cited sources, several uncited sources exist and seem to get this beyond
Kyiv offensive (2022) in the future, but for now I think it's sufficient. Curbon7 (talk) 18:43, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply
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Keep: hahaha better written here as the Article Battle of Hostomel Airport that still says it with Russians... since couple of days back to Ukrainians, so you Wiki experts seems to be lazy... and trying to delete this... This Wiki makes me laugh ... --188.96.90.63 (talk) 22:47, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: without prejudice of a possible merge which can be discussed in the talk pages. MarioGom (talk) 17:02, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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