Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Blue Hills Bank

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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The result was no consensus. There is a clear absence of consensus either way with respect to this subject. There is no question that the subject is a business that exists, and has remained in operation for nearly 150 years (albeit with both substantial structural changes and a possibly ill-advised name change). In my opinion, this is a borderline case. If the bank had been founded 20 years ago and had achieved its current status in terms of holdings, NYSE status, and slight press coverage, I would consider it much more difficult to demonstrate notability; if the bank had existed since 1870 and never gained a substantial business footprint, I would also consider it much more difficult to demonstrate notability. I was, frankly, tempted to move this to draft space to seek better sourcing, but that is typically appropriate where the article is not being worked on in mainspace. Since that work is being done, I will encourage its continuation where it sits. bd2412 T 11:56, 26 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Blue Hills Bank

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My initial impression was that this should be notable, but I couldn't find the coverage to verify this.

Blue Hills Bank Pavilion or Nantucket, but I didn't think either was a convincing redirect target. Boleyn (talk) 15:25, 3 October 2017 (UTC)[reply
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, A Traintalk 06:20, 11 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep -- Sizable bank. JuntungWu (talk) 15:26, 11 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete No indications of notability, reference provided fails the criteria for establishing notability. Fails GNG and
    -- HighKing++ 17:16, 12 October 2017 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Keep. It is "Blue Hills Bancorp", traded on the New York Stock Exchange, there will exist analyst coverage of it as it is a traded security on the biggest U.S. stock exchange. There be Wall Street Journal announcements of its earnings etc. There may be U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission investigations, enforcement actions, etc. It is a big deal to be NYSE listed. I think in the past there has been some ridiculous claim made that NYSE-traded firms are not necessarily notable, but of course in fact they are. You try listing your company on the NYSE!!!!! --doncram 00:42, 15 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment Please post links to two references that meet the criteria for establishing notability. Note that company announcements, earnings announcements, etc, are not regarded as intellectually independent sources.
      -- HighKing++ 15:30, 15 October 2017 (UTC)[reply
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Yahoo finance profile; reuters profile; Wall street journal articles, etc. You put in the links. I am not looking who put this article into deletion play, but whoever it was didn't do their
wp:BEFORE homework. Are you serious? I suppose you are, that you think a NYSE-listed company is not notable, which is absurd. --doncram 15:59, 15 October 2017 (UTC)[reply
]
Hi
WP:ORGIND
. I've tried to find references that meet the criteria for establishing notability and haven't found any.
Also, just be aware that whoever closes this doesn't count !votes but evaluates the arguments and reasoning against policy/guidelines. Your (any mine and everyone else's) *opinions* don't count. If you want to smash the AfD irrefutably out of the park, the easiest is to post two links that meet the criteria for establishing notability.
-- HighKing++ 23:55, 15 October 2017 (UTC)[reply
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wp:AFDISNOTFORCLEANUP
. I know, you should know, everybody else knows that this (and probably every other NYSE-listed) company is Wikipedia notable. It has $2.3 billion in assets. It has market value of $537 million! There is no value provided by AFDs on NYSE-listed companies.
Also, per wp:LISTED, "..., sufficient independent sources almost always exist for such companie ..." (bolding added by me) and editors are encouraged to search for and add the analyst reports, etc., that are publicly available in this case and, at least behind paywalls for, I expect, all others. Also it is nonsense that Google and Yahoo and Reuters profiles are not valid reports on the audited financial statements of the NYSE companies. --doncram 17:02, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Well, all I'm seeing is that you still can't find two references. Your opinion doesn't trump policy and guidelines.
-- HighKing++ 12:55, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply
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Umm, "TNT" acknowledges that the topic is valid. Sure, it can/should be moved to Blue Hills Bancorp probably ("Keep" with suggestion to move/rename is the appropriate AFD outcome), and it should cover the history of the Nantucket Bank, one of its predecessors, and so on. Umm, what is your reasoning for deleting then recreating? The essay wp:TNTTNT provides numerous reasons why that should not be done, one being that it violates Wikipedia's promise to contributors that they will be credited for their work (while deleting the article then recreating it wipes out edit history of contributions). --doncram 17:16, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein  20:28, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Contra Nom, the
    Blue Hills Bank Pavilion does contribute its mite to notability.E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:53, 26 October 2017 (UTC)[reply
    ]
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