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The result was delete. Stifle (talk) 11:40, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Byron L Giles

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The article claims this is a professional basketball player and recipient of the Meritorious Service Medal (United States). However I can't find any sources verifying this and don't think this article can be reasonably improved. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:25, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep An athlete is presumed to be notable if the person has actively participated in major college compoetition, professional competition or won a significant honor. Mr. Giles walked-on to and played for a top college basketball team which was the MIAA champion and made it to the Elite 8 of the NCAA championships for 92-93, and received scholarship money after being cut from his high school team during the junior and senior years. He was part of a first group of Americans to play professionally in Mexico before it became popular under well-known coach Adolfo Sanchez in '96 and followed that with a successful military career. Other page concerns can be addressed in time. Note: Apologies to Lightburst for block statement concerning proposed deletion on above statement and thanks for AGF. Carla2022 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:59, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I'm glad to see the article creator posting here with a keep rationale. This is a first article, drafted at
    the applicable special notability guideline does not appear to list a Mexican league among the basketball leagues where one appearance constitutes sufficient evidence of notability. If this was a tour that was written up in the papers, where the visitors played several games against top teams, or if he was indeed hired by a Mexican pro team, that might be enough for him to squeak by under general notability; but I didn't find any such coverage. What I did find that is not in the article is that he has founded a company, CertificationPoint; CrunchBase biography. But that hasn't made much of a splash either. So I'm sorry, I must advocate for the deletion of this biography. Yngvadottir (talk) 21:59, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Bagumba Thanks for roping me back in...:). Here’s the reference. The guidelines on this page are intended to reflect the fact that sports figures are likely to meet Wikipedia’s basic standards of inclusion if they have, for example, participated in a major international amateur or professional competition at the highest level. I have more to add more later in the extended area provided below concerning this basis.Dharp86 (talk) 2:16, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Let's see how the ATHLETE claim fares.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Tone 09:29, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment More information added to article to help with notability added. I noticed to short list of leagues for notability and believe FIBA should have been listed or described in more detail as it is the international governing body for basketball outside of the United States. I looked through the conversations concerning criteria and what could be added is that basketball in more of a worldwide sport as it ever was. Mexico and other Latin affiliated leagues really deserved more attention especially when we recall the Olympics in 2004 when Team Puerto Rico beat Team USA in basketball, a team, which consisted primarily of NBA All Stars. It was called a major upset but as we see now the rest of the world has made up significant ground. Carla2020 (talk) 4:51, 8 September 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carla2022 (talk • contribs)
  • Comment. I'm puzzled by the material that's been added to support his having played professional basketball. The Latin Basket page has him listed at the top just as a college player (I presume regarding his draft eligibility that 2096 is a typo for 1996), while the Year-by-Year Career section below does also have a line for Mexico but doesn't give a team name, just "Pacifico". I presume this is the "Liga Mayor-Pacifico" to which the article now refers, but I can't find that former league mentioned anywhere (I keep just getting the baseball league,
    Gigantes de Jalisco [es], were Frayles de Guasave until 2019. Is there a full team name that can be searched in the newspapers? (And what's MIAA in the Latin Basket URL, by the way, sorry, I'm grasping for things to search.) Is that Latin Basket site a reliable source, by the way? I keep hoping someone from the Basketball WikiProject will come by and help with sources. In any case, though, as you say, the league is not listed as one of those where playing confers a presumption of notability. If you want to get that changed, User:Carla2022, I think the place to start asking is that WikiProject's talk page. Yngvadottir (talk) 01:11, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Comment
    Circuito de Baloncesto de la Costa del Pacifico which Jalisco is part of was passed notabilty as a league and Frayles de Guasave passed notability as a team. Here's a photo Pro Basketball-Mexico photo with jersey. I understand your views as this is was before social media with limited archives and microfilm and also just how information can get buried in time. Probably similar to the Negro leagues and having to confirm and document records and statistics and having a limited number of photos. Could be easier to obtain newspaper articles and such from the subject about basketball in Mexico as there are probably not the level of archives in Mexico that there are in the US??? The LatinBasket website lists all players and seems to be categorized by the college a US player attended. Not really sure about how the foreign players who are listed get categorized and it seems to be a sister site of EuroBasket website. Carla2022 (talk
    ) 2:20, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment Astros de Jalisco is actually a Jalisco team in a different league which may be associated with Frayles de Guasave.Frayles de Guasave looks to be a former team of the Circuito de Baloncesto de la Costa del Pacífico league. Looks like most of the league's current teams have established notability with a page. More on professional basketball in Mexico can be found at the following link. | Mexico Pro Basketball. Carla2022 (talk) 2:42, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Bagumba I know I mentioned that I had more to add more later but rather writing a lot of words which may not taken into account I did some research and at the bottom of the draft were those related articles and there were quite of few professional basketball players from Mexican leagues and other leagues not on the suggested list....possibly hundreds of articles. Are we saying historical players are non-notable because they are ‘old and crusty’...(adding some humor)? Should subject be knocked down for not staying on the professional basketball route and serving his country admirably? Here are a few articles to consider which are in the same category which are strikingly similar. Maybe we could ping the creator and approvers of the articles below and many others for guidance?

[1] [2][3] Dharp86 (talk) 3:12, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

  • Comment Unfortunately, neither the
    WP:GNG
    .
    1 is a media guide from a primary source that lists his name twice.
    2 is a
    EuroBasket.com
    profile page.
    3 is a dead link from the AirForce Times.
    4 is his own book.
    5 doesn't mention him.
In it's current state, the article simply does not pass
WP:GNG. Alvaldi (talk) 10:59, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply
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