Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Coat of arms of Lebanon

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The result was no consensus‎. Liz Read! Talk! 23:03, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Coat of arms of Lebanon

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The existence of this topic is in serious doubt. At Lebanon, the user Beshogur (talk · contribs) has repeatedly removed the coat of arms on the basis that the Constitution of Lebanon doesn't define one (whough the US constitution doesn't define the state symbols, either), and that the symbol was unsourced. The only reference in this stub is circular, and the source added in an August 24 revision at the main article includes fictional content.[1] –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:03, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: One thing I should like to note is that the announcement of the adoption of the Seal of the President of Lebanon, which is official and which includes this design, notes (in Arabic) that 'the arms were chosen because they historically represent the official symbol of the Lebanese Republic.' That's a pretty scant reference, but it does come from the Lebanese government itself, so it's worth taking note of it. Edit: The design was also præviously used on its own on the Presidency's website (it differs slightly, having a brown trunk, but the general blazon tracks, heraldically). Mnmazur (talk) 22:09, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Another addition to the comment, I discussed this with other user as well. For US, if their coat of arms were adopted by the congress, which is, it makes it official. Beshogur (talk) 13:31, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note that a design of similar construction also appears on the embassy of Lebanon in Paris (on the door to the left). ― novov (t c) 11:29, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Bobherry Talk My Edits 20:11, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:24, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak keep - These arms have definitely been around a while; I have added a citation from a book, but they can also be found on the Lebanese embassy in Paris (see my comment above) and several vintage stamp/sticker collections (1, 2). Whether they have seen much usage beyond what’s been found is questionable though, so more investigation is probably needed. ― novov (t c) 12:27, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Modest proposal Initial List". Society for Creative Anachronism. Retrieved 24 August 2023. LEBANON. Gules, on a bend sinister argent a cedar tree palewise proper.

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:18, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Now sourced. If there are problems with the article, it can be improved. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:48, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Koavf: the "source" is ridiculous. 1973 source, not official basis whatsoever. Beshogur (talk) 16:25, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    There are four sources. Are they all ridiculous? What do you mean about "not official basis"? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:26, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    The sourcing is indeed extremely weak right now, and Beshogur is correct in stating that the first source is indeed not an official government publication. The second source (about the presidential seal which includes it) is though. The other two sources are regarding the more general cedar tree emblem, which probably sees more use and might be worth refocusing the page on.
    But it is (or at least was) clearly used in some capacity by the Lebanese government, contrary to the claims of it being a fictional device. And Lebanon wouldn't be the only country to use a symbol that is not officially legislated in some fashion. ― novov (t c) 00:43, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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