Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daniel Jansen (basketball)

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Daniel Jansen (basketball)

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Contested PROD with no removal rationale. As with a number of other recently-created and -deleted basketballer articles, this player hasn't (yet) played in any of the

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Basketball-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 23:46, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 23:46, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iowa-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 23:47, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Belgian League is a fully professional one and he's going to play in the ABA League, that meet all the criteria. Asturkian (talk) 12:35, 19 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Actually neither of those things meet the criteria. -DJSasso (talk)

• Delete Nothing I can find shows he meet
  WP:NHOOPS. -DJSasso (talk) 12:43, 19 September 2017 (UTC)[reply
  ]

See below for multiple substantial independently published sources of presumed reliability. Carrite (talk) 15:54, 24 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete - Neither leagues mentioned equate to inherent notability for a player. The subject needs to meet

• Delete: per nom, but we're going to keep getting these as long as NSPORTS keeps up with the bonehead dozen-year-old definition of "fully professional" = "top-flight." That language's sell-by date's long passed and it's confusing to people who say "Wait, what, they're all getting paid aren't they?" Nha Trang Allons! 20:41, 19 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• NSPORT doesn't actually say that and hasn't for awhile. At least for basketball. -DJSasso (talk) 12:02, 20 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• It does for football, which muddies everything else. In a fully professional, 3rd tier league, not everyone should be default notable for one game.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:06, 23 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• The author of this article wasn't aware of the notabilty criteria, see discussions of
  WP:CRYSTAL ball and all), or we could just wait, this being a new editors rookie mistake which he is now aware of not doing again. Dammit_steve (talk) 16:44, 23 September 2017 (UTC)[reply
  ]

• Delete does not meet notability guidelines for basketball players.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:05, 23 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - With all due respect, deletion advocates, you have this one wrong. Don't care that he's not a player in a pro league, he was the Division II Player of the Year in 2016 and as such passes our General Notability Guideline. The GNG for basketball players is therefore irrelevant. Carrite (talk) 15:42, 24 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note also that his team was Division II National Champions in 2015-16. Carrite (talk) 15:44, 24 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally, THIS article from the Sioux Falls Argus Leader clearly counts to GNG. Carrite (talk) 15:47, 24 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

And HERE is another feature story from the Sioux City Journal. Carrite (talk) 15:49, 24 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per User:Carrite. Antrocent (♫♬) 19:20, 25 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep also agree with Carrite. The reason for the nomination made sense but in this case the player has separate notability already.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 12:46, 26 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - as DII player of the year. Perhaps another interesting basketball project for newcomers would be adding Division II winners to List of U.S. men's college basketball national player of the year awards. See my suggestion on the talk page: [[1]] TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:33, 26 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  I'm guessing the scope of that article is intentionally limited to Division I. Frankly, I'm not sure that winning a Division II award is enough to demonstrate notability. Division II sports just really aren't a very big deal to most American sports fans.

  Lepricavark (talk) 04:38, 27 September 2017 (UTC)[reply

  ]

I think it depends on the sport. DII football is well represented on Wikipedia - DII basketball not so much, but the player of the year, as arguably the best player in the entire division, should pass the notability test. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:32, 27 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Note to closing admin This player is scheduled to make his debut in the
  WP:NBASKETBALL will be moot. Let's avoid a deletion followed by an "acceptable" re-creation. Thanks. Rikster2 (talk) 12:39, 29 September 2017 (UTC)[reply
  ]

Update - Jansen now officially meets

WP:NBASKETBALL, having appeared in a game in the ABA League. See here. Rikster2 (talk) 18:28, 29 September 2017 (UTC)[reply

]

• Keep setting aside that the player will likely meet
  WP:NBASKETBALL in a few hours, he meets GNG in my estimation (though I found it easier to find sources using "Dan" vs. "Daniel") with sources like this and this and this. Rikster2 (talk) 12:59, 29 September 2017 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Keep Meets
  WP:NBASKETBALL per User:Rikster2 above -- Dammit_steve (talk) 18:36, 29 September 2017 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Keep. Now meets
  WP:NCOLLATH, even before that, but that's all a moot point now. A real time-waster of an AfD nomination. Ejgreen77 (talk) 22:04, 3 October 2017 (UTC)[reply
  ]

You're welcome to express your opinion, but given the state of the article at the time I came across it, I can assure you this hasn't been a waste of time. Best to remain civil about such things, I would suggest. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 22:41, 3 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep passes NBASKETBALL. I remain unconvinced that being a DII player of the year counts for anything.
  Lepricavark (talk) 00:01, 4 October 2017 (UTC)[reply
  ]

well, I did provide three substantial articles from three different independent reliable sources above. It’s moot at this point, but since I started looking after this discussion it has appeared that D2 NPOYS do receive coverage enough to meet GNG, at least recent ones where you’d expect to find on-line sources. Rikster2 (talk) 00:25, 4 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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