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(non-admin closure) The Herald (Benison) (talk) 02:07, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Dead or Alive Xtreme Venus Vacation

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Zero reception. Zero reliable sources as well; thus failing

WP:GNG. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 12:39, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Right here. Also, the links about gameplays & staffs are on the official DOAXVV website RexWill01 (talk) 15:19, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.sinicalanimenetwork.com/amp/dead-or-alive-xtreme-venus-vacation-review
https://www.metacritic.com/game/dead-or-alive-xtreme-venus-vacation/
https://automaton-media.com/en/interviews/20211207-7082/ RexWill01 (talk) 15:19, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please take a look now. I overhauled the article to address both of the concerns you raised. Jotamide (talk) 16:03, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep Sources 1,2,3, 10 and 11 are RS per Source Highlighter, most of which are reviews. I think we're ok Oaktree b (talk) 16:55, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    They do are, but do they really say anything? No. Its just an announcement. Are there reviews on Metacritic? Nope. We are not basing notability over the quantities of reliable sources, but quality GreenishPickle! (🔔) 17:00, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Video games and Japan. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 20:48, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Source 2 is the best of the bunch. The Japanese source 10 is ok and I found this which is recognized as a RS [1] per Project Video Games.[2]. Also coverage in Silicon Era [3] and [4]. I've amended my !vote to a Weak Keep, not a ton of extensive sources, but one good one and bunch of smaller ones, should be enough for GNG. Oaktree b (talk) 00:22, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    All of these sources are trivia, but I understand that is your perspective. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 00:28, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Story in Vice about the game [5], another story in Vice [6], ScreenRant [7]. Mid-level quality sources, but they talk about the game. Oaktree b (talk) 00:38, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Some of these have been added under this section. Jotamide (talk) 23:08, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge. Why was this split out from Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 in the first place? Despite what the IP edit summaries removing it from that article and the talk page discussion say, RS describe it as a "version" of Xtreme 3. [8] [9] ~ A412 talk! 05:05, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Because these articles are wrong. It's not a "version", it's a separate (live-service) game of its own. I get the impression all the people who want this merged with DOAX3 never tried to play Venus Vacation in the first place. 188.120.118.114 (talk) 07:11, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Because it isn't a "version" of Xtreme 3. Anyone claiming so is outright false. 24.230.161.142 (talk) 17:41, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Can you please reevaluate your vote? Ever since the deletion nomination I have substantially improved the article to illustrate that after 6+ years of service, Venus Vacation has evolved into separate game with its own story detached from Xtreme 3. Jotamide (talk) 15:51, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge - Vice articles are fairly substantial and the story about the DVD was reported by several publications (eg PCGamesN) but I think it's not quite enough to pass GNG. Merge to Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 seems appropriate since DualShockers calls the game a spin-off of Xtreme 3 ([10], [11], [12]), Vice called Venus Vacation renamed Xtreme 3 ([13]), and Screenrant & The Gamer called it a PC version of Xtreme 3" ([14], [15]). --Mika1h (talk) 15:07, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The Xtreme series itself is a spinoff. Should it be merged as well? Those other articles are wrong and based on bad information prior to launch. 24.230.161.142 (talk) 17:42, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    While Venus Vacation was originally promoted as a PC port of Xtreme 3, development for the most recent version of that game (DOAX3 Scarlet) ceased in 2020 while DOAXVV is still in active development and by 2024 has diverged quite substantially from Xtreme 3. Several of the articles you linked seem to propagate outdated information from release. Jotamide (talk) 17:34, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge I have no idea why I was informed on my talk page as if I'm the person that made this article (it seems Niemti did?) but um...yeah agree with the above consensus.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 21:06, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Can you please reevaluate your vote? Ever since the deletion nomination I have substantially improved the article to illustrate that after 6+ years of service, Venus Vacation has evolved into separate game with its own story detached from Xtreme 3. Jotamide (talk) 15:51, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - While the first version of this article was poorly-sourced, it can be expanded with info from the eswiki article plus news articles and interviews specific to this game. Some of them can now be found as refideas in the game's talk page. The fact that so many people stated incorrectly in this discussion that this game is just a port of Xtreme 3 (it is not) means that a split article is necessary to clarify this widely-spread misconception. Jotamide (talk) 21:18, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sources at the talk oage were trivia. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 22:34, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Could you expand on that? Jotamide (talk) 23:00, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I do believe that many users here that are just agreeing with the merge suggestion honestly don't know much about this game (if at all). Or simply blindly believe inaccurate articles that have been full of misinformation for years. If you do think that a literal gacha (which means completely different way of acquiring continuously updated swimsuits/characters) doesn't warrant a separate page along with additions/differences in gameplay, then there's even less of a reason to have a separate page for Dead or Alive Paradise which is just a port of DOAX2. 188.120.118.114 (talk) 21:38, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, and AfD is not based on a vote. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 22:34, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep - Having played both games, I can say without a shadow of a doubt that these two games, while similar, are entirely different entities. Those voting to merge clearly have little to no understanding of the game, its gameplay or the history behind the game's creation.
2600:8804:8780:125E:2373:F536:2585:606D (talk) 22:49, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As I said before, this afd is not a vote. And, this argument is gibberish. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 23:02, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll write an actual response to the this comment. (@Greenish Pickle!, I think you need to consider the counterarguments in good faith rather than labeling arguments as "from socks" or "gibberish". They're well-formed arguments, even if we both disagree with them.)
Unlike other reference works, including some other wikis, English Wikipedia doesn't have any sort of granularity policy, in that even though two topics are technically different, that doesn't mean they are necessarily discussed in two different articles. Instead, the relevant guidelines are
WP:MERGEREASON, and the relevant questions are if there is sufficient sourcing to write detailed articles about both topics, and if the reader would be better served by explaining the shared context necessary to understand both topics in a single article. In this case, I think the answers are "no, the sourcing is too piecemeal to write a good article about DOAXVV", and "yes, they have the same context and origin". ~ A412 talk! 23:35, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Thank you for better explaining this unlike the hostile user behind the nomination. Jotamide (talk) 00:01, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
‘’’Keep’’’ [I second this, entirely different games] 2600:1700:358A:8050:EC1E:8308:B524:9A9 (talk) 03:03, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

:::I own them apology, but these IPs looks sus with their single edit and it was this afd. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 00:43, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Greenish Pickle!, please do not BLUDGEON this discussion by responding dismissively to every editor whose opinion you disagree with. Besides it being rude, it is not an effective method of persuading people to your own point of view. What helps with that is presenting a strong argument, not calling other editors' comments "gibberish". Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 00:22, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I guess I own them an apology for being way too far. The thing is, look at these IPs contribution'; their first edit literally this afd and they were canvassed . GreenishPickle! (🔔) 00:43, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Shadow311 (talk) 17:02, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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