Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fifth Orbán Government

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The result was keep. The possibility of renaming this article can be discussed on the article talk page. Liz Read! Talk! 23:35, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fifth Orbán Government

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Reviewed under new page patrol. The title names the entire government of Hungary under the name of one individual and doubtless overlaps with other articles. The entire aticle consists of one sentence and the only reference covers his cabinet appointments. So no reference acknowledges the title of the article. No indication of wp:notability under this title or concept. of course, the overall governance of Hungary is wp:notable and doubtless already covered elsewhere. North8000 (talk) 22:42, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politics and Hungary. Shellwood (talk) 22:57, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This is the current government of Hungary following the Fourth Orbán Government. Nontrivial content other than the cabinet members will almost certainly be added in the future. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 23:34, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I'm not !voting, I'm just going to point to the fact that this style of article is a common practice, as can be seen at Category:Current governments. Should one go, the rest (or most) should follow. Curbon7 (talk) 00:48, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep "The article's name confused me" and "this is a stub!" are not valid reasons to delete an article. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 01:37, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep :The title names the entire government of Hungary under the name of one individual.
Dear North8000, your first concerns are absolutely meaningless, why I am saying that is because EVERY SINGLE GOVERNEMENT IS UNDER THE NAME OF ONE INDIVIDUAL.
No matter the country. for example the JOHNSON MINISTRY is named after BORIS JOHNSON. Smoothcheeks (talk) 05:52, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think the nominator's confusion is because he is American. On this page (and other cabinet pages like Rama III Government) "government" is used to refer to just the cabinet/executive, while in America "government" is much more commonly understood to have a broader definition and the narrow definition is not commonly understood. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 15:04, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe it's a translation issue. In US English, "government" refers to the entire government. Might the English word for the scope of this article be "administration" e.g "Orbán administrayion" ? North8000 (talk) 16:03, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The issue on whether cabinet articles should have the word "government" in their names is outside the scope of AFD anyhow. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 16:50, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
An article needs to have a distinct topic defined by it's title. At least in US English, "government" means the entire government which would be a duplication of other articles but is not the scope of the article. Could it be that in British English that "government" means "cabinet"? North8000 (talk) 17:27, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I believe it does in British English. Generally, I would understand "government" to mean "cabinet" in a case like this. Jamiebuba (talk) 18:32, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: I think we should follow Status quo on this as there's other pages named similarly to that. Jamiebuba (talk) 11:22, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: As noted it is common practice for this style of title based on the leaders (eg. Prime Ministers Name) and is a list on a notable subject (members of the cabinet) Encyloedit (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 19:01, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Per above. It is common (and more importantly, encyclopedic) to have individual articles on each government cabinet in between each election, even if the prime minister is the same. While it may not be the case right now in Hungary, government coalitions (and the specific parties in each coalition), and their agendas, can frequently change. --1990'sguy (talk) 16:44, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I'd agree that articles on national cabinets should exist. I guess it's just a British English (vs. US English) thing to call the cabinet the government."Government" in US English means something different North8000 (talk) 20:52, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, naturally. --Norden1990 (talk) 23:00, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Perhaps change the name to Fifth Orban Ministry as is the case with British articles (eg.second May Ministry) to avoid confusion or fifth Orban cabinet but as stated before do not delete. Looking at the list of current governments it is clear that this style of name is an anomaly with most either using ministry or cabinet. Encyloedit (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 13:29, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • When deciding what to name articles like this, we need to follow the sources. I haven't looked into what term(s) the
    WP:RSs generally use to describe the various governments/cabinets of Hungary, but I wouldn't be surprised if different countries have their own terms. Also, if we rename this article, we would need to do likewise for every article linked at Template:Hungarian Governments since 1990. Lastly, as I noted above, this style of naming is not unusual when compared to other European governments/cabinets. --1990'sguy (talk) 03:04, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply
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