Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fuck the Facts (album)
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:26, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Fuck the Facts (album)
Demos are assumed non-notable per
]- The band (one person at the time) didn't release this as a demo, it was a "full-length" cassette release. Since the band has signed to Relapse and had a bit more press, most places list anything before 2001 as a demo, but that isn't the case. see the note on the discography page.
- For example, here Topon calls the upcoming Escunta his "3rd full length release" at a time when only this self-titled and Vagina Dancer were out (besides splits and comps). Another link is dead now (Geocities), but I will try and find a replacement. Cheers! Ibanez Guy (talk) 02:00, 24 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:22, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - we've been through this before. Just because an article is (inaccurately) in the "Demo Albums" category does not mean it is nothing but a demo and should be shot down without the proper good faith research. This is an album and should be judged accordingly. I am not voting because the nomination is based on an inapplicable argument, and therefore this AfD is illegitimate. DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 02:31, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Response Per the article, "All tracks were recorded at Topon's home four-track studio." —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:20, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Question - Does recording method define the terms the band used to market the release somehow? I'm not trying to be smart, I am really wondering how demo is defined on Wikipedia. The article says a demo is "recorded for reference rather than for release." Which isn't the case here as this was clearly intended for release. Roman Candle was recorded on a 4-track, but it isn't a demo. :) Ibanez Guy (talk) 14:14, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Response' There is no strict definition of what constitutes a demo recording for the purpose of Wikipedia. This has consequently lead to a number of AfDs that were complicated and ugly--e.g. The Roxx Regime Demos. A proper studio album certainly could be recorded at home on a four-track, but it is simply likely that if someone was recording to four-track in his house, it was intended for a demo. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:55, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Justin, given your strict adherence to rules and guidelines that you've proven elsewhere, be careful saying things like "it is simply likely..." I have a feeling you would demand significant proof from others who say things like this. P.S. Still not voting. --DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 01:33, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Response' There is no strict definition of what constitutes a demo recording for the purpose of Wikipedia. This has consequently lead to a number of AfDs that were complicated and ugly--e.g. The Roxx Regime Demos. A proper studio album certainly could be recorded at home on a four-track, but it is simply likely that if someone was recording to four-track in his house, it was intended for a demo. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:55, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Question - Does recording method define the terms the band used to market the release somehow? I'm not trying to be smart, I am really wondering how demo is defined on Wikipedia. The article says a demo is "recorded for reference rather than for release." Which isn't the case here as this was clearly intended for release. Roman Candle was recorded on a 4-track, but it isn't a demo. :) Ibanez Guy (talk) 14:14, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Response Per the article, "All tracks were recorded at Topon's home four-track studio." —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:20, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. A released album, not a demo collection. Nominator's unverified opinion as to what a "proper" album is does not appear to be well-informed or to reflect reality; cf Nebraska and 10 Song Demo, similarly recorded releases from quite major artists. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 14:33, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.]
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