Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gianduia (software framework)
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Sandstein 06:49, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
Gianduia (software framework)
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WP:V problem. The article itself is highly speculative as to what the platform is for (because the sources it's based on were early and speculative), and no further news seems to have come out in 6 years as to verify what the platform is for, what it actually does, or if it was ever implemented. The fact that nothing has been said since leads me to believe that it may have just been abandoned somewhere along the way. MSJapan (talk) 03:24, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
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- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. North America1000 04:52, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions. North America1000 04:52, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 09:34, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 09:34, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 04:53, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 04:53, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
- Merge to MontageJS article where Gianduia is noted for forming the basis of MontageJS. DeVerm (talk) 06:04, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
- @DeVerm:Can you clarify where you're seeing that? From what I can tell, one of the developers of Gianduia moved on to MontageJS, but I'm not seeing anything that indicates clearly that an Apple development was used to build a Motorola/Google product (meaning that something Apple developed was used to build something for its competitor, which would cause all sorts of issues). "Building on lessons learned" is about skillsets; it's not equivalent to "taking the product to a competitor." I'd note that the Montage article clearly states what Montage is built on, and Gianduia is not mentioned. From a simple comparison of the articles, these two things appear to have nothing in common, so what am I missing? MSJapan (talk) 06:29, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
- Well, the article says a bit more than that: "The ideas behind Montage date back to Marchant's tenure at Apple (1999−2010) where he worked on native (desktop-like) user interfaces written in JavaScript. Marchant's goal at the time was to create the equivalent of proven technologies such as Cocoa and WebObjects, but for the web and on the client side to facilitate building applications in HTML, CSS, and JavaScript. The result was Gianduia, a rich Internet application framework introduced by Apple at its 2009 World of WebObjects Developer Conference." They are both Internet application frameworks based on proven technologies like Cocoa. Benoit Marchant is not just "one of the developers"; he was the leader and MontageJS was all about "if I would do this again" because for Montage, he again was the leader of the development team. Note that it states that "the ideas behind Montage date back to..." etc. which shows the link between these other than a software developer changing employers. DeVerm (talk) 06:48, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
- Correct, "the ideas". It looks like you're drawing the technological parallels from somewhere else, though (which is not stated in the article), because Gianduia in the article is claimed to be a Flash or Silverlight replacement in JavaScript. So I'm not seeing a close parallel between application modules (Montage) and rich media (Gianduia), although you are correct that it is mentioned there (rightly or wrongly, as 98% of the article is unsourced). MSJapan (talk) 13:59, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
- Well, the article says a bit more than that: "The ideas behind Montage date back to Marchant's tenure at Apple (1999−2010) where he worked on native (desktop-like) user interfaces written in JavaScript. Marchant's goal at the time was to create the equivalent of proven technologies such as Cocoa and WebObjects, but for the web and on the client side to facilitate building applications in HTML, CSS, and JavaScript. The result was Gianduia, a rich Internet application framework introduced by Apple at its 2009 World of WebObjects Developer Conference." They are both Internet application frameworks based on proven technologies like Cocoa. Benoit Marchant is not just "one of the developers"; he was the leader and MontageJS was all about "if I would do this again" because for Montage, he again was the leader of the development team. Note that it states that "the ideas behind Montage date back to..." etc. which shows the link between these other than a software developer changing employers. DeVerm (talk) 06:48, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
- @DeVerm:Can you clarify where you're seeing that? From what I can tell, one of the developers of Gianduia moved on to MontageJS, but I'm not seeing anything that indicates clearly that an Apple development was used to build a Motorola/Google product (meaning that something Apple developed was used to build something for its competitor, which would cause all sorts of issues). "Building on lessons learned" is about skillsets; it's not equivalent to "taking the product to a competitor." I'd note that the Montage article clearly states what Montage is built on, and Gianduia is not mentioned. From a simple comparison of the articles, these two things appear to have nothing in common, so what am I missing? MSJapan (talk) 06:29, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete. I read through the sources in the article and don't see any evidence that this framework is notable. I also don't think it would be a good idea to merge this article into MontageJS, as it would be a bit of a confusing redirect (I don't really see the connection, as noted above). APerson) 01:03, 9 July 2016 (UTC)]
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