Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/HeyMike!

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Black Kite (t) (c) 00:45, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

HeyMike!

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Non-notable band. Only very-slim claim to notability is that two members were once part of other barely-notable bands. No recognized record label, no charted songs. Looks like a local bar band, and that's about it. (Contested speedy.) - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 17:39, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This band meets the wikipedia Criteria.

1. Has released records on a record label of note, Takeover Records
Is signed overseas to a subsidiary of Sony in Japan, Catch All Records.

2. Has former members in other notable bands, including a platinum selling band, Yellowcard and former Tooth and Nail band, Craig' Brother. A member, Ben Harper has won a Moon Man at the MTV music awards.

3. Has articles in press from years ago on VH1, punknews.org, Kantine in Germany

4. They've been a world touring band and if you did your research, you would see that they have probably never even played in a bar.Foley227 (talk) 20:41, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

5. The person, real kentucky hick who is calling for deletion has called Capitol Record's alum, plantinum record selling, charted #1 on TRL band Yellowcard, "barely notable." HE gives no reference to 90's Punk rock band Craig's Brother. It's obvious this person does not know the punk rock scene very well. Foley227 (talk) 20:40, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please refrain from disparaging other editors. Continuing to do so will endanger your privilege of editing at Wikipedia. No, I don't know the punk rock scene, and I don't care to. It is up to the author to provide references from reliable sources, which were not present in the article. If you will add references from reliable sources (see
this page) that prove what you have asserted above, I will likely change my mind. But the job falls to you - I won't do your research for you. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 04:38, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply
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Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 22:34, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The artist profile on VH1 is a very reliable source and so is the article from punknews.org. VH1 has been a mainstay in the industry for more than 30 years and every notable punk rock band gets reviewed by punknews.org. I've also added international sources and the release date of HeyMike!'s full-length record from interpunk.com which is another huge source of punk rock info. These seem to be credible sources as described in wikipedia's rules on sources. I also don't want to use sources from I-tunes, rhapsody, napster etc.. because I'm not trying to sell the band's records. In other words, I've been selective in what types of sources I use.
Foley227 (talk) 07:10, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Also:

I have researched wikipedia's source rules, the 12 criteria needed for notability and keeping a neutral point of view. I've also researched what a deletionist and an inclusionist is, so that I can better understand other editors points of view.
Foley227 (talk) 07:10, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I would also like to point out that my intention is not to disparage an editor personally. I only take issue with the arguments that are in direct conflict with my arguments and/or not true. I think that calling this band a bar band should require some evidence as wikipedia is not an opinion based website. I also think that calling anyone names is disparaging in it's own right. I think every argument should be backed up. The other comment, "real kentucky hick", which might described as a disparaging remark is what this editors name, "realkyhick" stands for as described by his talk page. I appreciate the work done by this editor to keep wikipedia academic; but I feel the hours I have spent researching the subject, following wiki guidelines; and using credible sources speaks volumes to not only my knowledge of the subject, but the knowledge that is easily available due to the notability of the band.
Foley227 (talk) 06:14, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If this editor in anyway felt I was attacking him personally then I apologize as this was not my intention.

I just edited the sources so that it's in the format most people use on wikipedia. Every piece of information is credited to a credible source. I'll say this, you've got me working much harder than I ever thought I would when I started this the other night.Foley227 (talk) 07:07, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Apology accepted. More explanation is on your own talk page. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 07:55, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I have removed sections which were copied directly from their allmusic bio. Wikipedia does not accept copyright violations.

The VH1 source is a mirror of the allmusic bio, please check your sources.

I wouldn't call a label with such limited coverage and only 6 other blue linked artists a "more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of whom are notable)."

being signed to a label does not pass criteria.

A former member of a notable band it not the same as an independently notable musician.

Kantine in Germany looks like a supplied bio used for a gig announcement, not press and not independent.

Nothing wrong with playing in bars (even Metallica done it after they were huge). If anything I'd normally have less respect for bands that havn't played in bars.

As stated above the VH1 source is not a very reliable source.

What's the other international source?

Wheres the stuff from from interpunk.com? duffbeerforme (talk) 11:13, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

RESPONSE TO MORE QUESTIONS

The VH1 source may be a mirror but they are still in VH1 which 99.99% of bands aren't. Why is allmusic not a reliable source? Does VH1 just use mirrors of anything?
It's not about 6 blue listed artist, it's about what 6 blue listed artist the label signed and released. Takeover was founded in the 90's and has released music from:
Yellowcard(Also on Capitol Records)
Over it(Also on Virgin Records)
The Matches(Also on Epitaph Records)
Don't Look Down(Also on Nitro Records)
Inspection 12(Also on Honest Don's(Fat Wreck Chords))
And lots more...
That label still has releases out on all digital outlets and still puts out music. It is still around; although not as big as it used to be.
Ben Eric Harper(independently notable musician):

www.punknews.org/article/20269

www.mtv.com/bands/y/yellowcard/qa_feature_011706/

Google "Ben Harper Yellowcard" or "Ben Harper Amber Pacific"(another notable band Ben Harper played for. The article is about HeyMike! not Ben Harper.

I believe gig announcements from an outside source(not from the band) is a form press, I'm also not admitting that Kantine is simply a gig announcement.
No one said that playing a bar was bad, read a bio about the early years and you'll understand.
Does VH1 just mirror any band from any source? HeyMike! meets the standard of VH1 but not wikipedia?
HeyMike's release on the chaos label(Catch All Records) in Japan

http://www.indiesmusic.com/LabelView.aspx?id=3653

A wierd video of HeyMike's music music playing in a Tower Records store in japan:

http://www.myspace.com/video/vid/63486403

This is a blog from what I gather is a partner of Catch All Records:

http://blog.catchall.jp/archives/1206130.html

I don't speak japanese and English isn't as big in Japan as it is in other countries. In other words, the japanese stuff can be very difficult to find.
I took out the Japanese source because it's unethical for me to use a source that I'm reading with google translate.
https://www.interpunk.com/item.cfm?Item=131301&, I had used it for the release date of the LP but I decided to go with something else.

Foley227 (talk) 06:23, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Sufficient coverage to establish notability.--Michig (talk) 08:20, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.