Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Horseed Media
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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 08:14, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
Horseed Media
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Somali website hosted in Netherlands and Finland, having been shut down by Somali authorities in Puntland. Although a history of repression is evident, the site fails WP:GNG, the article being based in the main on primary sources and little to nothing rewarding search. The article was previously deleted in 2018 via Prod and it would appear nothing has happened since then to add to notability. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 08:13, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Journalism, News media, and Somalia. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 08:13, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Alexandermcnabb
- The website might fail notability in certain parts of the world but I believe it still has notability in Africa and particularly in Eastern Africa, and is otherwise a locally well-known media entity in Somalia, which is the reason I thought its worth a Wikipedia Page. If there are missing or inaccurate information, I will happily address it. Daljir (talk) 20:24, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 08:40, 24 October 2022 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 09:31, 31 October 2022 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 09:18, 7 November 2022 (UTC)- As I noted in an earlier comment, I think the notability part debatable. As it stands the majority part of the media in this part of the world can have their notability disputed due to the fact that the western media hardly cite them but that does not result the deletion of their Wikipedia pages. Thanks. Daljir (talk) 11:20, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per the coverage in ]
- Keep. There's a decent amount of coverage about the news source itself (e.g. [1], [2]), mostly related to the political issues it's faced. Per WP:GNG makes me pretty comfortable in saying it's had significant impact in its field. Dylnuge (Talk • Edits) 15:48, 8 November 2022 (UTC)]
- Keep. Google Scholar and Google Books searches show Horseed Media is widely used as a source for information in academic writing and reporting on current events in Somalia, which is an indicator of its reliability and notability (in general, if not a strict GNG sense). The Horseed Media entry in the BBC World Service Trust 2011 assessment of local media is one of the longer entries discussing radio stations in Puntland (pp. 117–118). The existing sources about the station's repression are primarily groups focused on press freedom, which I don't think would be primary (they're independent of Horseed Media both financially and editorially). —Carter (Tcr25) (talk) 16:35, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Horseed Media was one of some 33 radio stations operating in Somalia - it is no longer. It merited a short entry in the BBC's 2011 Analysis of Somali Media which does NOT, as claimed in the article text, say that Horseed is "one of the most reputable media organizations in Somalia" - the text actually states "it has one of the strongest reputations in Puntland" (Puntland being an autonomous region of Somalia, home to about 2 million people of whom 65% are nomadic). It also notes that the station does not stream live and has some 10,000 daily listeners. However, that analysis carried out in 2011 predates the station's closure in Puntland and its move to a base in the Netherlands/Finland. I think it noteworthy that Keep voters above recognise that Horseed does not meet WP:GNG - and that its use as a source by other media outlets does no confer notability and does not represent "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." I would also note that the political situation in Somalia is highly complex and that any assumption that Horseed Media is in some way notable because it's been/being repressed by a totalitarian government does not sit particularly well with the fact that the government of Puntland has been moving to a democratic form of governance since 2009. I mention this only because it was my own first assumption. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 04:27, 9 November 2022 (UTC)]
- Notability is generally not timed, so I don't think it's current operational status affects its notability; same goes for the political details of the situation, or for that matter the reliability of the source (that'd be an RSN discussion; we have plenty of pages on outlets which are unreliable but notable). I'm only noting the independent coverage of the news outlet itself: in sources like the Committee to Project Journalists ([3]), the BBC World Service Trust Research and Learning Group ([4]), and Reporters without Borders ([5]). These all appear to be independent, reliable sources with significant coverage of Horseed Media.
- I agree that some of the Keep arguments are drifting from GNG specifically (my own does mention our usage of it as a reliable source, which isn't particularly relevant and I really didn't need to mention), but I'm pretty sure this source meets WP:NPERIODICAL (which to the best of my knowledge is the closest matching "news source" notability guideline, since there isn't one for continuously broadcasting news sources like radio/TV). Dylnuge (Talk • Edits) 22:53, 9 November 2022 (UTC)]
- Keep. WP:NTEMP, WP:NSUSTAINED A quick search brings up 2010 New York Times source covering Horseed Media radio interview with an insurgent warlord and the arrest of Abdifatah Jama Mire, director of Horseed Media by Puntland police. https://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/14/world/africa/14briefs-PUNTLAND.html. A version of this article appears in print on Aug. 14, 2010, Section A, Page 9 of the New York edition with the headline: Somalia: 5 Soldiers In Puntland Are Killed In Battle With Militants.
The same event was covered in depth, 278 words, by EFE News Service Madrid 14 Aug 2010 https://www.proquest.com/usnews/docview/743985033. A 2019 press statement by Somali Journalists Syndicate, lists Horseed Media at #2 of 8 of their Executive Committee https://sjsyndicate.org/2019/06/22/two-day-sjs-founding-congress-kicks-off-in-mogadishu/ In an article at Proquest, The Washington Post cites Horseed Media:https://www.proquest.com/usnews/docview/1751366554. Sieff, K. (2015). Somalia banned christmas and new year's -- even though it celebrates neither. here's why.: Somali authorities say christmas and new year's celebrations are contrary to islam and could become targets for attacks by islamist militants. Washington, United States Washington: WP Company LLC d/b/a The Washington Post. "We [Islamic scholars] are warning against the celebration of such events, which are not relevant to the principles of our religion," said Sheik Nur Barud Gurhan, deputy chairman of the Supreme Religious Council of Somalia, according to the Somali news agency Horseed Media. Human Rights Watch cite Horseed Media in a report on Attacks on Media Freedom in Somalia https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/report_pdf/somalia0516web_1.pdf Notable topics have attracted attention over a sufficiently significant period of time •WP:NSUSTAINED <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:NSUSTAINED&redirect=no> •WP:SUSTAINED <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:SUSTAINED&redirect=no> See also: Wikipedia:Notability § Events <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability%22%20%5Cl%20%22Events%22%20%5Co%20%22Wikipedia:Notability> a topic is "notable" in Wikipedia terms only if the outside world has already "taken notice of it". Brief bursts of news coverage may not sufficiently demonstrate notability. However, sustained coverage is an indicator of notability, as described by notability of events https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Wikipedia:NEVENTS%22%20%5Co%20%22Wikipedia:NEVENTS>. Kleebis007
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