Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Joseph Doherty

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Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Lettler^{hello • contribs} 17:51, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Speedy Keep The subject didn't win the Navy Cross as the nomination states. This indicates that these nominations are being made without accurately reading and researching the subjects. In any case, a warship was named after him which is a "significant award or honor" and so passes
  WP:ANYBIO. Andrew🐉(talk) 23:21, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply
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• Redirect to
  WP:GNG. No SIGCOV in multiple RS so not notable. Mztourist (talk) 03:31, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply
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• Keep or Merge to
  USS_Doherty_(DE-14). If a reader wants to know "Who was that ship named after and what did he/she do?" we should tell them, even if they don't merit an independent article. PamD 10:48, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply
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• Redirect to
  WP:N, "Editors may use their discretion to merge or group two or more related topics into a single article." The article as a stand alone will receive minimal readership, but as part of the target will receive much more. There is no benefit to fragmenting the content. No objection to merging properly sourced content.  // Timothy :: talk  17:40, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply
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• Redirect and Merge to
  USS_Doherty_(DE-14), it's more appropriate to have relevant information about a ship's namesake in the ship's article than a completely separate article. Best, GPL93 (talk) 02:19, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply
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• Keep As a matter of housekeeping, I would note that this is there is a previous nomination for deletion that just went down the tubes. This is the second nomination. This fact is being knowingly suppressed – on this and many articles. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Edward Henry Allen. The record should be corrected accordingly. There is a systemic attempt to hide that fact over many articles.
  

This is a procedural hijack and an attempt to make sure that editors who do their job properly won't have time to respond. This is 'putting old wine into new bottles' — doing by indirection that which you cannot do by direction.

This is relevant, and it should be fixed. It is a fact. It is always put into the history. I've never seen this, and it is a direct result of the misbegotten attempt to purge a couple of hundred articles. And all at once, overwhelming the limited number of editors who actively try to save articles, while at the same time trolling those editors to make their job difficult and discourage them with distractions. Apparently it takes no time to resurrect hundreds of Navy Cross/Silver Star/Ship name honorees for deletion. It takes a lot of time to respond and improve all of these articles. This is in fact a second nomination (among many). And given the fact that there is no good faith compliance with

a date that will live in infamy

. You are distorting the process and rigging the outcomes.

The Navy thought enough of them that they named a ship in his honor.

Subject meets or exceeds

WP:Before. The protocol is that one should not only look at the present cited sources, but available sources, too. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:21, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply

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• Redirect to
  USS Doherty (DE-14), fails GNG. Cavalryman (talk) 20:54, 31 January 2021 (UTC).[reply
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• Redirect to
  USS Doherty (DE-14) per SOP. The DFC is pretty far down the awards list. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:16, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply
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