Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kate Oxley

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Those in favor of keeping cite only WP:ENTERTAINER's first point about "significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions." At the least, the notion of "significance" is never explicated by those in the keep camp, and no secondary sources demonstrating significance are offered, which is necessary per WP:NRVE (or WP:V more generally). The arguments of delete commenters about the lack of sources and the failure to meet the GNG are not addressed by those in favor of keeping the article. Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 10:14, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Kate Oxley

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Unsourced BLP. Contested Prod. No significant coverage found. Michig (talk) 19:33, 2 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Passes
  WP:ENTERTAINER. She has played a significant role in various notable series. This includes her role as Misaki Kirihara in the Darker than Black series, and the main character of Momo in Peach Girl. I added in references showing she did voice commentary on her roles there on the DVD. Dream Focus 20:43, 2 August 2011 (UTC)[reply
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Surely she just did the English versions of these series, not the originals. I think this is stretching

WP:ENTERTAINER somewhat.--Michig (talk) 20:55, 2 August 2011 (UTC)[reply

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Its a cartoon. Which voice actor did the role first is not relevant. The voice actors have to put in the same emotions as a regular actor does, it taking work. Dream Focus 00:53, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Yeah, dubbing actors don't get to claim notability from their films unless the dub itself is independently notable. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 00:35, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions. -- Dream Focus 00:54, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: (i) little evidence of "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" & (ii) little evidence that participation in
  derivative works such as foreign-language redubs (which are generally not themselves independently notable) confers any notability, so would not appear to meet WP:ENTERTAINER. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 04:45, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply
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  • " little evidence that participation in
    talk) 15:25, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply
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Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 19:20, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This article has been nominated for rescue. Dream Focus 21:17, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per lack of notable biographical sources. Both Yahoo! and Google didn't find any sources that support this Wikipedia biography. SwisterTwister talk 06:45, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as per
  Stuartyeates (talk) 07:06, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply
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Gene93k didn't comment in this AFD. Dream Focus 16:24, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Based on my mis-attribution I've taken another look and checked all the references. Only one reference seems to be primarily about the subject, and that's a fan-built site that's primarily a compilation of references to minor references to the subject. Categorical fail to meet

Stuartyeates (talk) 10:00, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply

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• Keep Passes
  WP:ENTERTAINER. Northamerica1000 (talk) 10:08, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply
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  • It's not a vote, and bald assertions are likely to be discounted by the closing administrator. -
    Aaron Brenneman (talk) 10:49, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply
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    • That was not a vote, it was a statement that it should be kept since it passes the notability guidelines at
      WP:ENTERTAINER. And administrators that just ignore anyone that disagrees with their personal opinions, often find their rulings overthrown at deletion review. Dream Focus 11:05, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply
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      • When you make a claim without any substantiation, it's a vote. Where are the sources that show that this person passes the mark? -
        Aaron Brenneman (talk) 11:20, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply
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        • "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions." I mentioned that in my statement above. Should they have to copy and paste the same thing and just repeat what someone else has said already? If you were the main character for a notable series, then obviously that counts as a significant role, as does being one of the main characters in another notable series(see my keep reasoning for specific examples). Dream Focus 11:32, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I seem to be in disagreement with a bunch of people here on what it takes to pass
  WP:ENTERTAINER. The suggestions that the coverage must focus on the dub or must go above and beyond what would be sufficient for a Japanese voice actor has no basis in policy that I can see. Calathan (talk) 13:09, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply
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• Keep: Passes
  talk) 15:22, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply
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  • Because the "entertainer" shortcut so abused here is but a small section of the page
    Aaron Brenneman (talk) 09:03, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply
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    • Yeah, yeah. Whatever you say.
      talk) 11:41, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply
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    • You added in that bit a few weeks ago, in your attempt to make all secondary guidelines pointless. There is no consensus to add it. I just removed it again and started a discussion about it. [1] So far everyone who has commented is against you adding that. Dream Focus 09:47, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I recommend people the "Additional criteria" section (under WP:BASIC), since WP:ENT is dependent on that section. I also recommend people note, should questions of ANN's encyclopedia's accuracy come up, the separate listing for what we claim to be Kate Oxley's real name. Whoops.--joe decker^{talk to me} 04:45, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That section keeps changing to say opposite things back and forth these past few weeks. Go by what its said for years, not what a small number of recent people have been trying to make it say. Dream Focus 09:47, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

(I added an indent for clarity here, my apologies if that's a problem.) As I mentioned over at the Orion Pitts discussion, I accept and had been unaware that the wording there has changed, however, I dont read either wording as having a particularly different meaning when taken in view of WP:NRVE. Unlike Orion, though, there is some (from my view) reliable sourcing in this article, which is why I'm not contributing a !vote to the discussion here, simply a comment. --joe decker^{talk to me} 17:24, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - A notable dub would be Sailor Moon, where things were changed so substantially that there were plot points that differed, and it had a major impact as an English-language franchise. In this case, Oxley's parts in a notable series were mainly as a bit player, and the others are only notable in particular circles, so there's a question of substantial coverage and independent sourcing as well, if interpreted broadly. MSJapan (talk) 05:39, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.