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The result was delete. The consensus is that the available sources are not sufficient to count towards notabilty. PhantomSteve/talk¦contribs\ 14:04, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kayt Jones

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After a BEFORE search, I could find nothing to substantiate the notability of this photographer. Two of the citations are unverifiable; the third is her own website. No SIGCOV in reliable sources. Yes, she has had photographs published in magazines, but her work is not in the collection of notable museums; her work is not regarded as important nor widely cited by her peers; has not originated a new technique or concept and is not part of a notable collective body of work. Apparently, she won an award in 2009, from "The Clothes Show Live" but I have been unable to verify this per RS. Not sure if this award is notable; it is not in the same realm as a Guggenheim, NEA, Tiffany grant or the like which we often find with notable artists. Does not pass

WP:SPA. Bringing it here to seek the input of other editors in the community. Netherzone (talk) 18:02, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep It wasn't hard to find her work in multiple well known magazines. Its a badly sourced article and needs word.Here is a decent source [1] I'd say tag it for improvements.Super (talk) 22:00, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    That's not even a source. It's a list of web pages with that are tagged "Kayt Jones". The articles that it links to are all descriptions of magazine covers that offer little more than "photographed by Kayt Jones." It is not anywhere near enough to base an article on. When I saw the nomination I was surprised that there was so little or no significant coverage of Jones. One would think there ought to be something, but so far, no significant coverage in independent, reliable sources has been shown to exist. Vexations (talk) 12:33, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I too found lots of mentions of "photo credit Kayt Jones", but nothing ABOUT her or ABOUT her photographs. She has photographed many famous people, but
"notability is not inherited". The closest thing I could find to significant coverage about her is this 2009 interview: [2]; but it's a primary source containing little to no actual editorial content, therefore does not count towards notability. I was surprised to find nothing in notable museum collections, or reviews, or articles on her, or even a monograph. The article has been tagged for citations since 2015, but it is unclear if there is anything out there with which to improve it. If sources can be found that discuss her and her work in an indepth manner, the nom can be withdrawn, but I'm not finding them. Netherzone (talk) 14:39, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Let's give it a week for folks to find sources, although if Vexations can't, not sure anyone can
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 14:49, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete no significant coverage in independent, reliable sources appears to exist. I made an effort, but found nothing. Vexations (talk) 15:56, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Leaning Keep. Hmm this is an interesting one ... I have found coverage, I'm on the fence if it is significant enough or not. For example:
    • "IPA 2009 Winner / Untitled / Kayt Jones Studio / Kayt Jones". photoawards.com.
    • "End Frame: Diana King on Kayt Jones". PDN Online. 25 February 2013.
    • "Kayt Jones Fashion Photography". TRENDLAND | Online Trend News. 23 June 2009.
  • Hoary what do you think about those three? In addition, whilst they don't count as reliable sources, I do think that the interview found by the nom in models.com and the additional interview I found in SCMP do indicate her notability more broadly. In the course of my researches I discovered she has also directed short films however Foxglove (film) does not appear notable so I have prodded that. Mujinga (talk) 16:36, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    The IPA is a pay-to-participate photo contest. Very dubious. Vexations (talk) 19:30, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Mujinga I saw those, but don't think they count towards notability. An "Honorable Mention" award for a pay-to-play photo contest (as discovered by Vexations) does seem dubious. The piece, "End Frame" isn't about Kayt Jone's work, it's a piece about how her studio assistant likes working for her (trivial coverage). The piece in the e-zine Trendland, while it features several of her images, the editorial content is only 3 sentences long, so I'd say it's a primary source - a portfolio of her work - it seems like a marketing piece for a trade journal (in other words, PR). The interview is also primary because it lacks any editorial content. It's really perplexing because her work is obviously known and respected; but what is lacking is anything that is ABOUT her or her work. I realize it's a borderline case....if good sources can be found to meet GNG or NARTIST, the nom can be withdrawn. Netherzone (talk) 20:24, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you for the ping, Mujinga. I don't have anything to add to what Vexations and Netherzone have already written, so my "Delete" stands. As does my willingness to change my mind, if I'm alerted to some rather more substantial coverage. -- Hoary (talk) 22:46, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for the answers! I agree those sources aren't the best for notability and that it's puzzling there isn't more out there. I was concerned by the International Photography Awards being a paid-for competition but having looked into it I don't think it's that unusual for such a competition to charge entry fees. Mujinga (talk) 00:40, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Indeed, this isn't unusual. But there are a lot of these awards (cf Prix Pictet, which goes to just one photographer), the link above shows that Jones didn't get one of them but instead an "honorable mention", and (cf Prix Pictet again, with Guardian write-ups and all) it's not obvious that the rest of the world pays much attention to them. -- Hoary (talk) 04:28, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Here's some things I found, corroborating some of the unsourced personal information in the article about her family.
Hope that helps. SilverserenC 02:00, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete The source--the additional ones included-- are either trivial or promotional or fail to show notability . There are very few awards in the world where "honorable mention "counts towards notability . DGG ( talk ) 07:16, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, per nom. This is similar to a newspaper reporter in terms of recognizing notability. It's not what the reporter writes, but what others write about them. I do not believe the subject here has reached that bar. Ifnord (talk) 18:32, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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