Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kelli Stavast (2nd nomination)

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The result was Withdrawn. GhostOfDanGurney (talk) 02:15, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kelli Stavast

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Renominating this non-notable motorsports pit reporter after the last AfD was closed with no prejudice as to speedy renom. There is no

WP:SIGCOV in any reliable/independent sources, as pointed out in this source assessment table made by User:Beccaynr
in the last AfD below:

Source assessment table:
Source
Independent?
 Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward
GNG
?
NASCAR Pit Reporter Kelli Stavast Shares Sunset Proposal Story, “Timeless” Ring Details (
The Knot
, 2016) 		~ Based primarily on statements of the subject,
WP:SECONDARY
context introduces the subject and commentary is limited to anticipation of the wedding. 		No Terms of use includes "THE SERVICES ARE PROVIDED FOR ENTERTAINMENT, EDUCATIONAL, AND PROMOTIONAL PURPOSES ONLY." This is not a journalistic or academic source. ~ Based primarily on statements of the subject,
WP:SECONDARY
context introduces the subject and commentary is limited to anticipation of the wedding. 		✘ No
Marty Snider, Kelli Stavast added to NBC's NASCAR on-air team (NBCSports, 2014) No This is a press release from the employer of the subject Yes ~ 2 sentences about her past career in addition to the announcement. ✘ No
The Life of a Racing Pit Reporter: Kelli Stavast (Frontstretch, 2019) Yes A mix of interview and
WP:SECONDARY
context 		Yes About Us section of the website indicates a news structure exists. ~ A mix of interview and
WP:SECONDARY
context, with commentary that appears related to pit reporting generally, not the subject. 		~ Partial
Kelli Stavast ’02 Takes on Olympic Assignment for NBC (Chapman University, 2018) No Alumni magazine interview with alumni Yes ~ Mostly based on quotes from the subject. ✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

As will likely be pointed out, this subject was in the news recently in regards to a recent forced "meme"; none of the sources covering that meme describe this subject in any detail; they at best pull information from the sources that already exist. As

WP:GNG. GhostOfDanGurney (talk) 19:48, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply
]

Is there a way for me to view the Altdriver link without purchasing a VPN subscription or finding a sketchy free proxy? They appear to block "international traffic" :(. GhostOfDanGurney (talk) 00:46, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"The speedwaydigest.com source is labeled "NBC Sports PR" and appears to be a press release. Heavy.com recycles the Frontstretch source already in the Wikipedia article, adds a non-independent link and information from her employer, her Instagram, various references to past "Fuck Joe Biden" chants, and a link and information from her alumni magazine - this is
WP:BASIC as outlined above, similarly does not add further support for notability." - This was a reply to your !vote on the last AfD that I feel is worth bringing up. GhostOfDanGurney (talk) 02:48, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply
]
and Altdriver's About page states, "alt_driver features the most entertaining and shareable car content from social media and the web. We look at literally thousands of videos and choose only the best to share. Keep in touch with us all over the web and social media to get in on the action", followed by a list of social media links, and links to a contact page, Visitor Agreement, and Privacy Policy. The Visitor Agreement specifically disclaims accuracy, e.g. "We do not endorse or guarantee the accuracy of any posting or Materials, regardless of whether they come from a user, a celebrity or ?expert? guest, or from a member of our staff", so this does not appear to be a
reliable source that can contribute to notability per Wikipedia guidelines. Beccaynr (talk) 02:57, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply
]
  • Keep, per the two sources identified by Editorofthewiki. Banana Republic (talk) 02:30, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This feverish (repeated) AfD effort is dead in the water, over a year late, and an absurd waste of time and effort, especially in light of recent media coverage, only bringing the subject substantial additional notoriety. - JGabbard (talk) 02:37, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Per last rationale I had, that this is an average sports journalist's article with proper sourcing, outside the controversy I asked for protection on that she was merely parallel to and meant only to stop bringing attention from a crowd. As the discussion was quickly derailed away from the subject and towards other things not having to do with her, I ask that the focus of that AfD remain solely on the subject in this discussion, not anything else (and won't respond to those outside concerns; please don't ping me about them, as they'll be ignored).
    chatter) 03:32, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply
    ]
Comment There do not appear to be reliable sources about what her intent was - as discussed in the previous AfD, based on my review of sources, it appears that her intent in the recent event is a matter of
WP:BLP policy and similarly does not support her notability. Beccaynr (talk) 04:18, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply
]
Comment That much I agree with, the sources for the event are lousy and on par for writers who don't actually follow the sport and only watched the clip after the fact (and in fact I put the blame more on a BTS director who didn't cut away or blank out the audio right away, leaving her in the wind). But going by the standards of how we measure the articles of sports journalists, she slides by on a weak keep per my past experience if that incident never happened. But I will admit my bias in my subject area (media/television) is a bit heavy towards inclusionism.
chatter) 04:39, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply
]
Source assessment table:
Source
Independent?
 Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward
GNG
?
NASCAR Pit Reporter Kelli Stavast Shares Sunset Proposal Story, “Timeless” Ring Details (
The Knot
, 2016) 		~ Based primarily on statements of the subject,
WP:SECONDARY
context introduces the subject and commentary is limited to anticipation of the wedding. 		No Terms of use includes "THE SERVICES ARE PROVIDED FOR ENTERTAINMENT, EDUCATIONAL, AND PROMOTIONAL PURPOSES ONLY." This is not a journalistic or academic source. ~ Based primarily on statements of the subject,
WP:SECONDARY
context introduces the subject and commentary is limited to anticipation of the wedding. 		✘ No
Marty Snider, Kelli Stavast added to NBC's NASCAR on-air team (NBCSports, 2014) No This is a press release from the employer of the subject Yes ~ 2 sentences about her past career in addition to the announcement. ✘ No
The Life of a Racing Pit Reporter: Kelli Stavast (Frontstretch, 2019) Yes A mix of interview and
WP:SECONDARY
context 		Yes About Us section of the website indicates a news structure exists. ~ A mix of interview and
WP:SECONDARY
context, with commentary that appears related to pit reporting generally, not the subject. 		~ Partial
Kelli Stavast ’02 Takes on Olympic Assignment for NBC (Chapman University, 2018) No Alumni magazine interview with alumni Yes ~ Mostly based on quotes from the subject. ✘ No
Kelli Stavast: NBC Reporter Behind Let’s Go Brandon Meme (Heavy.com, 2021) No This article recycles the Frontstretch source already in the Wikipedia article, adds a non-independent link and information from her employer, her Instagram, various references to past "Fuck Joe Biden" chants, and a link and information from her alumni magazine - this is churnalism. No
WP:RSP
"When Heavy.com cites another source for their own article, it is preferable to read and cite the original source instead." 		No ✘ No
Needed: Less Tara, Johnny, more Scott (Chicago Tribune, 2018) Yes Yes ~ In an article that reviews "seven things about NBC’s Winter Olympics coverage", there are three sentences about her interview of Madison Olsen. ~ Partial
Medal Stand: NBC's Stavast Goes For Cheap Emotions In Interview (Sports Business Journal, 2018) No Marked "sponsored content" at the bottom of the post, and otherwise promoting Hershey's and Red Stripe. No ~ Two sentences awarding Stavast "tin" while Hershey's is awarded "gold" and Red Stripe gets a "silver". ✘ No
Hamilton: Pit reporter Stavast has one crazy office (Winston Salem-Journal, 2015) Yes Yes Yes Includes quotes from Stavast, but also in-depth coverage of her career and biography. ✔ Yes
Stavast: What to Know About the NASCAR Pit Reporter (Alt driver, 2021) Yes No The site's Visitor Agreement specifically disclaims accuracy, e.g. "We do not endorse or guarantee the accuracy of any posting or Materials, regardless of whether they come from a user, a celebrity or ?expert? guest, or from a member of our staff", and the site's description on its About page states, "alt_driver features the most entertaining and shareable car content from social media and the web. We look at literally thousands of videos and choose only the best to share." Yes Career, education, and biographical information ✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a deletion review
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