Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of television characters who are hiv positive

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 20:50, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of television characters who are hiv positive

TVcruft DavidHumphreys^{SPEAK TO ME}ABOUT_{THE THINGS I MESSED UP} 21:37, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I don't see what's wrong with this. It's verifiable (though maybe someone should cite sources). It could be useful to people interested in portrayls of HIV persons in the media. Why should this be deleted? Allisonmontgomery69 22:01, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above (although the article needs a lot of work). Fireplace 22:52, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep per Alisonmontgomery69: Put {{
ask me for help) 23:03, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply
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Keep, however I find the inclusion of real-life people a bit problematic since this list is supposed to be about "characters". Therefore the Real World fellow and Ryan White should be removed from the list since neither are fictional characters by any means. This could probably stand to have a bit of an introduction added to address the portrayal of HIV+ characters. And while it isn't HIV, it might not hurt to make a reference to T'Pol from Star Trek, who was given an HIV-like condition (later cured) in Enterprise as an intentional metaphor for HIV. Also, if kept, the article needs renaming in order to correct the lack of capitalization on HIV. 23skidoo 01:28, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ryan White I believe qualifies if we consider the dramatization of his life in a TV movie. One wonders whether whatever T'Pol has qualifies as a HIV parallel if it can be cured. anyway, none of this is in the province of an AFD, which leads me to... hateless 05:01, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, relevant expansion on the topic of HIV/AIDS portrayals in the media. hateless 05:01, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Allison. Also, if we have something like List of Fictional Republicans, then why not this? I do believe that real people should not be included though as that are not TV "characters". TJ Spyke 06:00, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. No actual reason was provided for deletion by the nominator. Yamaguchi先生 22:26, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment OK, it looks like this is going to be a keep, which is of course fine by me. However it is apparent that I didn't express my concerns about this article ...

I don't think that this article is at all encyclopaedic - would one expect to find this in a paper encyclopaedia - I think not - I am aware that Wikipedia is not paper, but does that make the article any more encyclopaedic???
The list is entirely unmaintainable - I note that all of the TV shows are western in origin. What about Asia and Africa??? There must have been many TV shows with many characters who are HIV+.
Is it not just a little presumptive that all characters who don't mention that they're HIV+ aren't???? Maybe the characters don't feel comfortable telling their workmates or friends - just like in real life.
Where would lists of this sort end??? With a List of Fictional Characters in Literature who are HIV+??? ..... List of television characters who are NOT HIV+ ... List of television characters who have Influenza ???? DavidHumphreys^{SPEAK TO ME}ABOUT_{THE THINGS I MESSED UP} 01:38, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Maybe it should be changed to "List of fictional characters with HIV/AIDS". That way it eliminates real people(like The Real World) and includes character in other sources like movies and books. TJ Spyke 04:08, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.