Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lori Cohen Moseley (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete. Despite the best efforts to improve the article, the consensus in this discussion is that the subject of the article does not meet the threshold of having non-routine coverage demonstrating notability. I find Bearcat's comment at 00:19 4 July to be particularly persuasive, in combination with the consensus to delete that otherwise exists. Daniel (talk) 10:40, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lori Cohen Moseley

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Not notable local politician. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 00:38, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep She was the mayor of a large city Jon698 (talk) 00:41, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep I have decided to expand my support for keeping this article after expanding it. She is clearly notable not only because she served as the mayor of a large city. Her development policy as the city greatly grew in population is detailed, her signing onto multiple notable statements in favor of fighting climate change and support for gay rights, and her positions in the Broward League of Cities and Florida League of Mayors are included. She was not some unimportant mayor that did nothing for sixteen years until she was defeated, but instead an active mayor out of all Floridian mayors. As AfD are not majority vote I hope whoever closes this discussion sees that this article is now up to a standard to not be deleted. Also all of the other delete opinions are from before the article's expansion. Jon698 (talk) 18:44, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Sourcing appears weak. I'm seeing very little. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:45, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • There's more sourcing than I thought there would be. It's on the line where I get fuzzy on notabilty. So, I'm withdrawing my vote for now. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:56, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep per
    WP:HEY. This should probably be relisted for another week. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:30, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply
    ]
• Delete no refs cited are usable for notability: only routine election reports Lembit Staan (talk) 00:49, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Little to no references exist that aren't in relation to elections or to Wayne Messam. Curbon7 (talk) 03:36, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete While Miramar has over 100,000 people, it is not a large city, but one of many places in an urban area where it is not by any stretch of imagination either the most important or most populous city. We would need good sourcing to justify keeping this article, and we lack that.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:53, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete unless the article sees significant improvement. No size of city confers an automatic inclusion freebie on its mayors per se — the notability test for a mayor is not passed just by verifying that she exists, but by writing and sourcing substantive content about her political significance. In other words, it isn't a matter of verifying her election results (the only kind of sourcing that's actually been offered here) per se — it's a matter of writing and sourcing content about specific things she did as mayor, specific projects she spearheaded, specific effects she had on the development of the city, and on and so forth. Bearcat (talk) 16:09, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment @Muboshgu: @Lembit Staan: @Curbon7: I have expanded the article with some information that I have gathered in a few minutes. There are over 2,000 newspaper articles including her according to Newspapers.com so if I am given enough time then I can save this article from deletion. Jon698 (talk) 02:53, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The number of newspaper clips does not matter. Please read carefully the comment of Bearcat. If after that you think you can save the page, it can be restored into your user space or draft space. Lembit Staan (talk) 03:04, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Lembit Staan: The amount of newspaper clips does matter. It shows that there is information about her that can be added to the article. I have greatly expanded the article and I'm not even halfway done with the newspaper articles. Jon698 (talk) 06:17, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • No in doesnt. Please review our notablility criteria. Only refs with considerable coverage are counted, not just mentions. Also routine press releases and announcements don't count. Lembit Staan (talk) 18:09, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Yes it does. The newspaper articles are clearly considerable coverage of her. Jon698 (talk) 18:34, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • "Considerable" is about the depth and substance of the coverage — it's not a measure of the number of hits there are, it's a measure of the context of what each piece of coverage was given for. For example, "mayor cuts ribbon to open dog park" would be +1 on the raw number of coverage hits, but is definitely not +1 on the "is this piece actually helping to establish notability?" scale. Raw number is irrelevant — it's the context of what any given piece of coverage is about that determines whether it helps to establish a mayor's notability or not. Bearcat (talk) 15:34, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
          • Completely wrong. While searching these 2,000 newspaper articles I saw nothing as inane as what you are suggesting. Instead I found out about her political positions, her development policy, positions she held in mayoral organizations, her elections, and other important information. These 2,000 articles are clearly considerable coverage of her. Jon698 (talk) 18:39, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
            • "Her political positions, her development policy, positions she held in mayoral organizations, her elections" are not notability-building things to write about. Mayoral notability is built by writing and sourcing content about specific accomplishments that she achieved, not by her committee positions or her policies or her election results per se. And I didn't say your hits were or weren't on the "dog park" level — I can't tell, because I haven't seen most of them. But the point is that the number of hits you find isn't the notability test in and of itself, precisely because coverage of the "dog park" variety will always show up in the number of hits you get for any mayor of anywhere — the notability test is in the substance of what the available hits do or don't enable you to say about her concrete achievements. Bearcat (talk) 00:19, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment @Muboshgu: @Curbon7: I have expanded the article and the information about her mayoralty is larger than any information in Wayne Messam's page about his mayoralty. Jon698 (talk) 19:16, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete I reviewed the article and found that nothing this politician did was notable. My takeaway was she didn't like strip malls which is not notable. This feels like a they existed article. Coopman86 (talk) 04:35, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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