Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Manor Hotel, Mundesley
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The result was no consensus. Lankiveil (speak to me) 13:01, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Manor Hotel, Mundesley
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No credible notability claims, no significant source coverage. Fails
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:14, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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- Weak keep -- I found the article had been blanked (out of process) except the AFD tag, and have reverted that, so that we can see what was there. Blanking an article that you di not like is not acceptable. The culpit User:Stavros1 claims to have retiured from WP, which another user (on his talk page laments). The architect has a short article, which suggests that his buildings are notable, but as we only have a very short stub of an article, it is difficult to tell. Peterkingiron (talk) 11:00, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Listing by Nicolas Pevsner is not a strong claim to notability and no other evidence is offred. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:35, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep notable architectural feature of Mundelsey, and its restaurant seems to have good coverage too. Has coverage in reliable sources [1], [2], [3], [4], [[5], [6], [7], [8]♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 15:31, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep There are at least three books WP:RS mentioned in the article that note this. Dr. Blofeld indicates there's more out there, and I am sure it will be put into the article in due course. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:18, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- "advertisement". Country Life. Vol. 137. Country Life, Limited. 1965. p. 95. Retrieved April 9, 2013.
- Pevsner, Sir Nikolaus; Wilson, Bill (2002). Norfolk 2: North-West and South. ISBN 978-0-300-09657-6. Retrieved April 9, 2013.
- Westley, P.C. (1951). The Spectator. Vol. 186. pp. 672, 736, 850. Retrieved April 9, 2013.
- Dunford, Martin; Lee, Phil (2012). The Rough Guide to Norfolk and Suffolk. Rough Guides, Limited. Retrieved April 9, 2013.
- Hotels and Restaurants of Britain. Vol. 58–59. 1986. pp. 289, 332. Retrieved April 9, 2013.
- Yearbook. Royal Automobile Club (Great Britain). 1916. Retrieved April 9, 2013.
- Brereton, Peter (June 1, 1982). Through Britain on country roads. Retrieved April 9, 2013.
- AA Hotel Guide. Retrieved April 9, 2013.
7&6=thirteen (☎) 18:02, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Please differentiate between passing mentions and significant independent coverage. For instance, the link you provide to the Royal Automobile Club listings are just that - the name appears on a listing of hundreds. That is not significant coverage. Overwhelming the discussion with non-significant coverage links does not help to reach consensus on if there is actually significant reliable source coverage which is required for notability, as opposed to counting the number of passing mentions that are turned up with a quick search. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 17:38, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I'd be willing to bet that if you looked through the local archives of newspapers in Norfolk you'd find detailed full articles about this hotel. This picks up 44 newspaper articles (but I don't have a subscription to access), and I doubt any of those are even local Norfolk newspapers.
Here's some articles I found from the Norwich Evening News which constitute substantial coverage., but as I say, the wealth of material will be offline in their archives:
♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 19:22, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep -- for its architectural significance as being one of the oldest buildings in that particular part of Norfolk. Who is it benefiting by deleting significant Grade II listed buildings off of WP? -- CassiantoTalk 20:21, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I think it is quite relevant to read over
- You clearly have no experience of hotel and restaurant writing. It is a quote from a food critic describing what she thought was the most notable aspects of dining there. Perfectly acceptable, we embrace reviews like this for restaurants. Th quote was probably best breaking up part in prose part in quote which I've now done, but plastering silly tags over it arguing that the article is too overly detailed and then having the audacity to warn me about it by templating me, really is not doing you any favours. This article doesn't stand a chance of being deleted, trust me. ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 20:37, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - notable architectural feature of Mundesley.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:32, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - To summarize what we have so far, the primary claim to notability is that it is an architectural feature of the town it is located in and that it was designed by
Keep: passes GNG on a number of points. - SchroCat (talk) 12:16, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. I can find no evidence whatsoever that this is a listed building, despite the claims above. If English Heritage do not consider it notable enough to list then I'm not sure why we should. And "one of the oldest buildings in that particular part of Norfolk"? A building dating from 1900? Please! This is England, not America! Mundesley has a Grade II listed brick kiln a century older than the hotel! I'm not expressing a preference to keep or delete, as I don't generally like deleting articles on historic buildings that some may consider significant, but let's try to avoid making bogus claims. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:35, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Proposed Listing
This may help Please see Page 21 of [12] of this PDF Character Appraisal and Management Proposals, Section 6.3: Key unlisted buildings This Document states :- It is proposed that the following buildings be considered for inclusion on a ‘local list’ which should be formally adopted by the Council in accordance with Local Development Framework policy. Manor Hotel, Beach Road– by J B Pearce late 1890s, apparently developed from an earlier manor house. Commissioned by Bullards Brewery.
- Locally listed buildings are not generally considered to be notable. After all, English Heritage lists many thousands of buildings on its national list (and we don't automatically consider Grade II listed buildings - i.e. the majority - to be notable even on that list). If they don't consider it notable enough for a national listing then its notability is borderline at the very best. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:55, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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